Yes, this conversation delves into the heart of what it means to be a male feminist, what it means to be a feminist ally, father, son, and brother, what we expect from men and why, and how to show an example to the next generation of boys and men.

The Yes Girls explore this with live studio guest Jeff Dindi, the dynamic force behind @PresentFatherhood. Known for his candid approach to challenging traditional gender roles and advocating for present fatherhood, Jeff brings his unique perspective to the studio.

Timestamps for Specific Segments

(00:00 ) Intro

(01:50 ) Meet Jeff Dindi

(06:21 ) Role play challenge: Egalitarian parenting practices

(22:05 ) The fear men have of appearing "feminine" outside the home

(23:50 ) Upbringing and its impact on one's view of egalitarianism

(25:00 ) The battle between societal norms and male feminism

(27:25 ) Parents should be able to take full child care responsibility, whether one partner is present or not

(27:40 ) The battle between couples having guests over - who cooks and who entertains the guests?

(29:43 ) People's reactions to Jeff being in the kitchen?

(34:00 ) Fathers should look at child care as a moment to bond with their kids

(36:20 ) Societal norms are artificial constructs

(37:55 ) Jeff rating Akumu and Claire's efforts in role play

(39:47 ) Does Jeff care what people think about him being a male feminist?

(42:30 ) Is Jeff different from the other men around him? Why should men care about feminism?

(45:20 ) Jeff paints a picture of the multiple roles women play, both at the village and in urban settings

(48:55 ) Jeff reflects on the time he was the primary caregiver while his wife went to the office

(50:10 ) Claire explains the emotional impact of having a present partner in the parenting journey

(51:05 ) Women's role in turning men into great male feminists

(55:47 ) The role of sisters in nurturing male feminism in their brothers

(56:30 ) The idea of blending traditional roles with male feminism

(1:05:40 ) The role of open communication in discussing gender roles and expectations between couples

(1:06:50 ) Has Rachel, Jeff's wife, impacted his view and approach to male feminism?

(1:07:40 ) Why it's important to clearly communicate your personal expectations right from the start (of dating)

(1:08:20 ) The role of Jeff's upbringing on his expectations in a relationship

(1:11:32 ) Where you can find Jeff online

(1:12:29 ) What Jeff has recently said "yes" to

(1:14:56 ) Outro

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This episode also reveals Jeff's personal journey and the misconceptions surrounding the feminist movement, particularly in the African and Kenyan contexts. 

Tune in to gain valuable insights into how men can actively participate as champions of feminism and gender equality, redefine masculinity in relation to gender roles, explore the benefits of a more feminist society, and understand the importance of men as feminist allies.

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Important resources:

The history of feminism in Kenya:

http://www.nawey.net/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/05/History-of-Feminism-in-Kenya.pdf

Follow Jeff:

https://www.instagram.com/presentfatherhood/

Follow Kweli Coffee:

https://www.instagram.com/kwelicoffee/

Related episodes:

Episode 48: Feminism with Doris Onyango

Episode 57: Gender debate with Oscar Koome & Eli Mwenda

Episode 59: Motherhood & the parenting journey with Sally Kuria of Mama Tales Podcast

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