In this episode, I sit down with Zanele Njapha, widely known as The UnLearning Lady, to explore the art of letting go — of habits, beliefs, and assumptions that no longer serve us. 

We unpack why unlearning is often harder than learning, how leaders can support change without forcing it, and what it truly takes to evolve as individuals and teams.

From reframing failure to monitoring your default thoughts, this is a conversation that challenges the stories we tell ourselves — and reminds us that growth begins where certainty ends.

🧭 Topics Covered

• The power of changing our minds without guilt
• How to observe and reframe default thoughts
• Why failure can be feedback, not final
• The courage it takes to let go before moving forward
• How leaders can support change instead of enforcing it
• The difference between individual and collective unlearning
• Misconceptions that hold people back from true growth
• Zanele’s hard truths and personal lessons in unlearning

Chapters:

(00:00 ) Intro 

(05:00 ) The Importance of Changing Your Mind

(07:00 ) Monitoring Our Default Thoughts

(09:30 ) Reframing Failure

(13:00 ) Why Do We Revert to Default?

(19:00 ) The Importance of Noticing

(24:30 ) Mental Wellness Practices

(29:00 ) Begin With the End in Mind

(36:00 ) Unlearning in Group vs Individual

(42:00 ) Misconceptions of Unlearning

(45:30 ) Zanele’s Hard Truths to Unlearn

(54:45 ) What Would You Wish For?

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Much love, 

Clint