Seja talk to her guest Astrid Jorgensen (Pub Choir) about the phenomenon that is Pub Choir over the last few years, her history of being a high school teacher and how singing in a choir the quickest way to properly experience music as an amateur. Astrid tells Seja about the mistaken notion that alcohol is a 'must' for pub choir, that she doesn’t like performing when it’s all about her, and her lack of an inner dialogue. They chat about audiation, the health benefits of singing, her inclusion of sign language in Pub Choir and all the amazing female and gender diverse artists she champions as part of the show. And course, they talk about the Kate Bush email.

Astrid’s strange story was illustrated by the Patterson kids, with artistic direction from Pub Choir manager and guitarist from the Grates John Patterson. You can follow John on instagram @Jhonpatterson or Pub Choir @pubchoir

All illustrations can be seen on instagram @hearsejpodcast or on the hearsej facebook page.