In this episode, Keltie is joined by friend, Lisa Patterson, who shares how her and her partner are navigating parenting roles in a way that goes against traditional norms.

Hear Keltie and Lisa discuss...

• How Lisa made the decision to become a parent, despite it not having been a part of her life's "success criteria"
  
  
• How she and her partner have communicated about and negotiated their respective parenting roles
  
  
• The way others have responded to Lisa and Andy's role reversal of "primary" and "secondary" parent
  
  
• The perks of raising a child outside of the U.S.
  
  
• The tension between and trouble fitting the all-or-nothing categories of "mom" vs. "career woman".

  
  
  As mentioned in the show

  Find Lisa on Instagram at instagram.com/captlisann
  
  About Lisa
  
  Lisa Patterson is an outdoor enthusiast, tech nerd, vinophile and working mom.
  
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