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On the 40th interview for the Herald's Horn, Cal is joined by his good

friend (and new Magic player) Gabe Pyle! Gabe is an industrial design

professor, in addition to other things, which gives him some interesting

insights and reflections on his new player experience and that of

others. Cal wanted to hear about this experience, being over a decade

removed from his own beginnings, so here we are!

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0:00 - Intro

0:58 - Welcome Gabe!

2:09 - Reluctance to Get Into Magic

4:00 - Introduction to Magic & More

9:16 - Magic's Complexity is Interesting

15:12 - Is It Harder to Learn Magic Now?

20:59 - What Is It Like to See New Players Learn?

26:23 - User Personas & Player Archetypes

32:25 - How Do You Intro People to MTG?

42:42 - How's Opening Packs Going?

46:49 - Gabe's Final Thoughts!