Gardener and author Shelley S. Cramm joins Laura Joy Lloyd to discuss how planting a garden is similar to writing fiction, why rallying people to pray can make a difference, why it’s okay to love gardens but not gardening, how someone who’d never read the Bible ended up writing Bible-based devotions, and so much more.

Learn more about Shelley S. Cramm: https://www.gardenindelight.com/

God’s Word for Gardeners Bible: https://www.gardenindelight.com/books/niv-gods-word-gardeners-bible-grow-faith-growing-garden/

My Father is the Gardener: Devotions in Botany and Gardening of the Bible: https://www.gardenindelight.com/books/my-father-is-the-gardener/

Shelley’s award-winning blog: https://www.gardenindelight.com/blog/

Garden Communicators International: https://info.gardencomm.org/

Toastmasters International: https://www.toastmasters.org/

Books by Laura Joy Lloyd: https://www.laurajoylloyd.com/books/

Wren Island: https://www.laurajoylloyd.com/welcome-to-wren-island/

Interactive serialized fiction: https://www.laurajoylloyd.com/what-is-interactive-serialized-fiction/

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About Laura Joy Lloyd

Laura Joy Lloyd writes uplifting contemporary stories set on Pacific Northwest islands. Through an innovative style she calls interactive serialized fiction, Laura invites readers to influence many of her projects in real time as she writes. Laura also enjoys swimming, knitting, keeping company with creatives, and organizing whatever feels messy.

Find more fun stuff on Laura’s website: https://www.laurajoylloyd.com/

Episode website: https://www.laurajoylloyd.com/a-conversation-with-shelley-s-cramm-part-2-rwlj140/

Release date: September 19, 2025

Music credit: “plain-acoustic-inspiring-folk-music-128699” courtesy of Pixabay