Tony Tong is a risk taker because it's less risky to take risk. He's a Google Explore machine learning facilitator, a software engineer at Rakuten Asia and volunteer at Omdena. He's a capitalist at heart but with an eye for social good. He argues data science is simply a tool and that 'good' comes down to intent. We begin by talking about life in 2021 - what it is like to 'live with algorithms', and we finish on the idea of 'move fast and break things' and the future of machine learning.