In this episode of PEM Currents: The Pediatric Emergency Medicine Podcast, Brad Sobolewski discusses advanced imaging in pediatric emergency care with Dr. Jennifer Marin (jennifer.marin@chp.edu) from UPMC Children’s Hospital of Pittsburgh. They explore the evidence behind ultrasound, CT, and MRI, strategies to reduce low-value imaging, and the role of shared decision-making in selecting the appropriate diagnostic test.

Learning Objectives

1. Demonstrate the ability to use shared decision-making strategies when discussing imaging options with families of pediatric patients presenting to the Emergency Department. (Bloom’s: Apply; Kirkpatrick Level 2 – Learning)





2. Evaluate the risks and benefits of ultrasound, CT, and MRI for common pediatric emergencies and identify appropriate imaging modalities based on clinical guidelines discussed in the podcast. (Bloom’s: Analyze; Kirkpatrick Level 3 – Behavior):





3. Assess the impact of implementing strategies for reducing low-value imaging in the pediatric emergency department on patient care outcomes, including diagnostic accuracy, radiation exposure, and healthcare costs. (Bloom’s: Evaluate; Kirkpatrick Level 4 – Results)

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References

1. Marin JR, Lyons TW, Claudius I, et al; American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Pediatric Emergency Medicine, Section on Radiology; American College of Emergency Physicians Pediatric Emergency Medicine Committee; American College of Radiology. Optimizing Advanced Imaging of the Pediatric Patient in the Emergency Department: Policy Statement. Pediatrics. 2024;154(1):e2024066854. doi:10.1542/peds.2024-066854. PubMed





2. Marin JR, Lyons TW, Claudius I, et al; American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Pediatric Emergency Medicine, Section on Radiology; American College of Emergency Physicians Pediatric Emergency Medicine Committee; American College of Radiology. Optimizing Advanced Imaging of the Pediatric Patient in the Emergency Department: Technical Report. Pediatrics. 2024;154(1):e2024066855. doi:10.1542/peds.2024-066855. PubMed

Transcript

Note: This transcript was partially completed with the use of the Descript AI and the Chat GPT 4o AI

Welcome to PEM Currents: The Pediatric Emergency Medicine Podcast. As always, I’m your host, Brad Sobolewski, and in today’s episode, we are diving into a critical topic that every clinician in the emergency department encounters: we are talking about advanced imaging. Wait, so is this like an upper-level college course?

No. Advanced imaging, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American College of Emergency Physicians, and the American College of Radiology, refers to diagnostic modalities like ultrasound, computed tomography or CT, and magnetic resonance imaging or MRI that provide detailed visualization of the internal structures of our patients to aid in the evaluation and management of the kids that we see in the ED.

So it’s the name for all of the cool imaging studies that we order on all of our patients, and they are essential for doing our daily jobs and identifying serious conditions like traumatic brain injuries, appendicitis, and stroke. There’s also risks. We’re talking about radiation exposure, having to sedate patients, false positive results, incidental findings that we have to deal with, and the obvious increase in healthcare costs, and there certainly is a rise in CT and MRI use.

And how do we actually strike the right balance between obtaining essential diagnostic information and avoiding unnecessary imaging? So here to help us navigate these complex decisions is Dr. Jennifer Marin. She’s an emergency department director of imaging at UPMC, Children’s Hospital of Pittsburgh, my hometown, a Yinzer, and a leading voice in pediatric emergency imaging.

She’s been at the forefront of research into imaging optimization. Focusing a lot on when to image, when not to image, and how to communicate imaging decisions effectively with families. In this episode, which we recorded as a discussion on May 12th, 2025, we will explore the latest evidence and guidelines, discuss practical strategies for reducing low-value imaging, and highlight how shared decision-making can help ensure that every scan is the right scan.

Jen, let’s start broadly. What are the most common injuries or conditions in children that require advanced imaging in the ED? And what are some of the trends that you’re seeing regarding how often we’re performing these studies? You know, reordering more imaging just because it’s more readily available because our patients and families expect it.

Or is there something else going on here? Thanks, Brad, and thanks so much for having me. It’s an honor to be on your podcast. To answer your first question, I think really the most common things that we see patients being imaged for would be suspected appendicitis. The kid who comes in with belly pain, you don’t wanna miss an appendicitis.

So we’re doing a lot of abdominal ultrasounds in those cases. Head trauma, um, of course people don’t wanna miss a bleed. So we do imaging for closed head injury. Those patients with minor head trauma, cervical spine trauma, abdominal trauma. And then I would say also children who come in with headaches. Uh, and those who also have seizures, those would be probably the most common reasons why we image kids.

So these studies are all readily available. We can get them sort of whenever we want. Really. What are some of the trends that we’re seeing in terms of ordering practices? Yeah, there’s definitely been studies that have shown that over time we are using more advanced imaging modalities. And I, I like to say to the residents and trainees, if you build it, they will come. And so as we now have more availability of these tests, when I started training, we did not have 24 hour ultrasound. We certainly didn’t have MRI available in the ED. But now that we have 24 hour ultrasound, it’s much easier to just get the ultrasound, or at least that’s the perception, right?

So it’s relatively cheap when you talk about ultrasound compared to other advanced imaging modalities, it isn’t usually painful. It’s no radiation and it’s fairly quick. So I think that when we, our threshold to order tests like this have gone way down simply because of the availability. Do you feel like sometimes we just assume that a patient or family wants an imaging test in order to figure out what’s going on?

Sometimes we do think that. I think we think that probably more than they actually do. And I’ve actually started, instead of assuming that a family is expecting imaging, I’ve started asking, what are you worried about? And what do you think should be done? And a lot of times I’m very surprised when I explain to the families why imaging isn’t necessary, if in fact they are expecting it. Most of the time it’s very well received.

Right. And I feel like we used to see a kid who would come in with a day and a half, two days of pain, right? So it was a little bit easier. Um, but now they’ll come in with a few hours of pain. And the reality is that if you get an ultrasound in early appendicitis, you’re probably not even gonna see the appendix. And so the test really isn’t gonna be that useful. And I go into that a little bit with families and I think it really resonates with them and has them understanding why we’re not doing the ultrasound.

That’s a wonderful point. And I don’t think there’s any such thing as a perfect test. There’s almost nothing that’s a binary yes-no. There’s false positives and false negatives for everything. And if you are born with your appendix behind your cecum, no ultrasonographer in the universe is going to be able to get it to come out to take a picture. Do you think that medical-legal concerns also play a role?

Is it different in taking care of children versus adults? I think medical-legal implications do play a role, and there’s been studies on that, but it’s mostly in the general EM literature, not as much in pediatrics. But I think that it’s something that is probably there that we think about. Nobody wants to miss an appendicitis. Nobody wants to miss a head bleed, right? We don’t wanna miss anything. And I think that when we’re faced with a child who has one of these diagnoses, that’s where we need to weigh the risks and benefits. And in some cases have a conversation with the family because sometimes it’s clear-cut that they need imaging. Other times it’s clear that they don’t need imaging, but there’s a lot of gray.

And you mentioned in your intro, shared decision-making, and I think that shared decision-making plays a really important role with imaging in a lot of these scenarios.

So I’m gonna shift gears just a tiny bit. You talked a few moments ago about some of the more common conditions in which we get imaging. I’m gonna ask specifically about CT scans and radiation. And it’s a topic that comes up again and again and we’re learning more and more over time about the risks of radiation, particularly in growing children w