This is Alex Heath, your Thursday episode guest host and deputy editor at The Verge. One of the biggest topics in AI these days is agents — the idea that AI is going to move from chatbots to reliably completing tasks for us in the real world. But the problem with agents right now is that they aren’t really that reliable, at all. 

There’s a lot of work happening in the AI industry to try and fix that, and that brings me to my guest today: David Luan, the head of Amazon’s AGI research lab, a cofounder of Adept, and a former VP of engineering at OpenAI. David and I discussed the release of GPT-5, why agents are so important, and where he thinks the AI race is headed next.

Links: 



The Platonic Representation Hypothesis | Phillip Isola




Amazon plays catch-up with new Nova models to generate voices, video | Verge




Amazon’s new AI agent is designed to do your shopping | Verge




Microsoft is racing to build an AI ‘agent factory’ | Verge




OpenAI’s new ChatGPT Agent can control an entire computer | Verge




24 hours with Alexa Plus: we cooked, we chatted, and it kinda lied to me | Verge




Why AI researchers are getting paid like NBA All-Stars | Decoder




OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off — and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google | Verge




This is Big Tech’s playbook for swallowing the AI industry | Command Line




Amazon hires founders away from AI startup Adept | TechCrunch




Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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