In this episode of the psychology podcast, Kimberley Wilson explores gratitude – both real and fake. She talks with her guest, health psychologist Jo Rodriguez, about how can we adopt and feel authentic gratitude.

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Host: Kimberley Wilson
Guest: Jo Rodriguez
Producer: Kirsten Lass
Assistant Producer: Katie Chandler Clarke
Researcher: Grace Revill
Science Editor: Rami Tzabar
Tech Producer: Reuben Huxtable
Sound Designer: Ruth Rainey
Digital Lead: Richard Berry
Podcast artwork photography: Darren Skene
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Assistant Commissioner: Izzy Lee-Poulton
Commissioning Editor: Rhian Roberts