In this powerful and raw episode, Christopher White and Max Thomas sit down with Ben K, a fellow recovering addict who shares his deeply personal journey through two decades of relapse, recovery, and everything in between. Ben opens up about the emotional turbulence of fatherhood, managing Crohn’s disease, and the lifelong impact of addiction—not just on himself, but on those around him.

From a spontaneous invitation to the podcast to a moving reflection on his 18 months of solid recovery, Ben’s story highlights how addiction isn't always about substances—it’s about control, fear, shame, and self-worth. Together, the trio dive into the challenges of maintaining emotional sobriety, the danger of spiritual complacency, and the transformative power of surrender.

This episode is an honest look at what recovery really looks like: messy, beautiful, and always evolving. Whether you’re new to recovery, a loved one of someone struggling, or just curious about the reality behind addiction, this conversation offers insight, compassion, and hope.

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