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Join Kevin Goetz as he welcomes the host of Turner Classic Movies, Ben Mankiewicz. As a member of the illustrious Mankiewicz family, Ben provides a unique insider perspective, from delightful stories about his early life surrounded by Hollywood royalty to the privileges and expectations that come with having a famous name. He also shares colorful anecdotes about his father, who spurned the movie business in favor of making an impact through politics and public service. Throughout the episode, Ben brings his deep passion for film to life, offering thoughtful analysis and critiques on everything from beloved classics like Casablanca to defining what makes a movie truly great. His joy and encyclopedic knowledge when discussing cinema is infectious.

Ben's Family Legacy and Getting into Columbia (2:42 )
Ben talks about his family's long history at Columbia and getting rejected initially despite his famous relatives.

Ben’s Father Spurning Hollywood for Public Service (8:08 )
Ben recounts his father Frank Mankiewicz's remarkable transition from Hollywood entertainment lawyer to a member of the Peace Corps in Peru. He further elaborates on his father's notable career milestones, which encompassed serving as Robert F. Kennedy's press secretary and spearheading George McGovern's campaign.

Following His Own Path (9:15 )
Ben compares his interests to his father's drive to make a difference rather than join the movie business.

Behind the Scenes of Turner Classic Movies (12:08 )
Ben describes auditioning for TCM and having long discussions about movies, playing to his strengths. Ben says seeing The Barefoot Contessa on TCM right after his audition felt like a good omen he'd get the job because it was a Mankiewicz movie.

Ben's Takes on Classic Films (20:53 )
Ben argues audiences over time, not just critics, determine what becomes a classic film based on emotional impact. Ben names Paths of Glory and Casablanca as his favorites for their emotional resonance.

On the Waterfront and the Problem with Kazan (33:47 )
Ben expresses admiration for On the Waterfront, acknowledging its brilliance and emotional depth, particularly praising Eva Marie Saint's performance. However, he expresses disdain for Elia Kazan's decision to name names during the McCarthy era.

Mank and the Family Name (41:36 )
Ben talks about being a Mankiewicz, and describes being incredibly moved by the 2020 biographical drama film Mank directed by David Fincher capturing Ben's grandfather Herman's spirit.

Whether you're a longtime TCM fan or simply love hearing little-known details about Hollywood history straight from the source, this podcast is a must-listen. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!

Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Ben Mankiewicz
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano

For more information about Ben Mankiewicz:
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Mankiewicz
Twitter: https://twitter.com/benmank77?lang=en
The Plot Thickens Podcast: https://theplotthickens.tcm.com/

For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevi