In this episode of our podcast, Steve shares his reflections on his recent trip tracking the journeys of the apostle Paul with his wife Ann. Steve highlights the contrast between the power and wealth often represented in churches today and the message of the crucified messiah that Paul preached, which was one of humility and sacrifice. Steve and Ian discuss how this message can be distorted in modern churches that prioritise material gain, and stress the importance of staying grounded in the true message of the gospel, even in the midst of societal pressures. Through their thought-provoking discussion, they emphasise the timeless nature of Paul's message and the need to remain committed to its core values of love and redemption for all.