Talia and Maxine talk with writer/producer/power lesbian Brodie MacPherson about her relationship with her body, fatness, fatphobia, how she dealt with the effects of drastic weight loss, and the difference between body positivity and body neutrality. She also shares her favourite beauty products, info on weight loss surgery, and a good dose of vulnerability. Shoutout to therapy.

Also! We clear up some confusion about retinol under the eyes, and Max makes a retinol confession.

• Palmer’s cocoa butter

• Nivea soft body cream

• The Roxane Gay elevator thing

• MAC studio sculpt gel foundation

• Stila stay all day liquid lip in Beso

• Follow Brodie on IG!

• Hosted by Talia Emsalem and Maxine Tuyau.

• Produced by Andrew Woodgate.

• Support for First Nations people

• Join the conversation on instagram @beautyispolitical.