Welcome to Season 2 and Episode 15 of the Building a Life and Career in Security Podcast.

Today's guest is the Brakeing Down Security Podcast team of Bryan Brake and Brian Boettcher.

Both met while working at Xerox and became mentor/mentees in helping grow their own security careers.  As they were trying to learn security themselves, they realized that by recording their conversations together they could help others.  And the Brakeing Down Security Podcast was born.

Links Mentioned In This Episode:

Podcast Website

BrakeSec Podcast Twitter: @brakesec

Email: bds.podcast@gmail.com

Bryan's Twitter: @bryanbrake

Brian's Twitter: @boettcherpwned

Podcast on iTunes

Jay on Brakeing Down Security

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Bryan Brake: Somebody from Apex, it was one of the recruiting agencies, said "hey, I got this job at Xerox."

I said, "okay. What's it about?"

They said, "oh, they do vulnerability management and stuff."

I said, "okay, I know how to do that." So I interviewed with ... actually, this is where Mr. Boettcher comes in. I actually interviewed with Mr. Boettcher, and we hit it off immediately, because I was like, "oh, hey, his name is Brian," and I was like, "man, how am I ever remember how to spell his name? I mean, how do you spell that?" And, yeah, they hired me, and I learned as much from Mr. Boettcher as he thinks he did from me.

Intro/Ending: From the JaySchulman.com studio, this is the Building a Life and Career in Security podcast. Now, your host, Jay Schulman.

Jay Schulman: Hey, it's Jay and welcome to season 2 of the Building a Life and Career in Security podcast, the podcast where you get to hear other information security professionals career journey.

Last week in episode 14, we had Martin Reyes on the podcast talk to you about his journey from manager at a big bank, including being laid off. Great, heartfelt insight from Martin.

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This week on the podcast, we have an absolute first. We have the [Brake on Security 00:01:26 ] podcast team joining us. That is two guests in the same podcast, Bryan Brake, and Brian Boettcher. What I really enjoy talking about both Brians is how you can see them constantly learning from each other, not only in this podcast interview, but in their podcast that we'll talk about, the [Brake on Security 00:01:42 ] podcast, makes for a really interesting conversation. Here are both Brians journeys.

Brian Boettcher: All right, my name is Brian Boettcher. I'll begin with my college life. I started as, I wanted to be an electrical engineer, because that's kind of where the money was at the time I was going into college. I was good with technology, and so I was like, "okay, I'm going to be an electrical engineer." So, I went to a major university, the University of Texas, and I started there. I did pretty well the first couple of years, but I kind of wasn't really what I really wanted to do. I couldn't find that passion, right? So, I figured, "if I don't like to do this, maybe I should really do something that was completely different."

So, I applied to be an English major, and I was accepted. Here I was, did a total 180, and I was in the English department. I liked being in the college of liberal arts, because it was completely different people that I became friends with. Literature was cool. But then, when I started writing my papers, and my opinions on certain books, the TAs would just totally annihilate my writing. They would say, "no. The author didn't write this because of what you said. They wrote it because of this, I mean this is the standard."