
CLASSIC: How did Fido become the default name for dogs?
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If you're like most English speakers, the first thing you think of when you hear the name "Fido" is, of course, a dog. But why? Join Ben and Noel as they delve into the story of Abraham Lincoln's favorite pooch, and how this little yellow pup became one of the first dog memes. (Also, please send us photos of your pooches. We're super into it.)
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Oh, fellow ridiculous historians, is that you?
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We're so glad to see you joining us for a classic episode.
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Look, names are tough.
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We talked.
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I can't remember what show it was, but we talked about how tough it is to name a car.
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We know it's tough to name a pet.
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What do you, what do you and is that?
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What is a Toreg?
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He's still on it.
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So, look, if you are investigating, like we did back in 2018, the names of dogs, you will see the name Fido show up and Fido is not a name for people.
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Sure, isn't it?
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You see it in branding for dog food and all kinds of stuff dating back to, this is the beginning of advertising.
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I've been watching or rewatching actually a lot of classic looney tunes, cartoons recently, pro tip for any max subscribers out there.
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Every single one of them is on there back from the earliest ones in like the 30s.
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And Fido is often what they call dogs in the show, you know, bugs, bungalows, you're like, here, Fido, it's just kind of like a stand-in like Coke is for soda or Xerox is for a photo cop.
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Sure, Google for internet search.
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Do we also have the, do we have the World War II propaganda on max?
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I'm not sure.
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I haven't been through all of it enough to know of what they've stripped, but I'm not 100% sure.
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I wouldn't be surprised.
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I know that Disney has removed a lot of the problematic Disney cartoons from, you know, Disney plus.
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And we know how Fido became a default name for dogs here in the West spoiler.
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It goes back to you and amateur wrestler that we often bring up on the show.
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Good to reach on that guy.
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Thanks Abe Lincoln.
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Let's jump right in.
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Joy Harden Bradford, host of Therapy for Black Girls.
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You've probably, probably met a dog.
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Probably.
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I've met at least two dogs.
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That was the same dog though.
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You think so?
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I think it was the same dog.
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Why do you think that?
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Because you showed me the pictures and I think it's the angle.
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Yeah, that's weird.
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I'm more of a cat person, but no, I've met multiple dogs in truth.
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And I've also heard of Abraham Lincoln.
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Yes, and today's story is about the confluence of these two concepts.
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When we think about dogs, we always think about strange dog names too, right?
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And there's one thing that always baffled me when I was a kid.
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When I traveled abroad, I didn't understand that dogs who grow up in non-English-speaking countries don't speak English.
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That's right.
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It's a weird thing, and you probably ran into dogs who spoke German when you were in Germany.
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Are you teasing me, Ben?
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No, I'm not.
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What do you mean?
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When they bark, they do it with a German accent?
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Is that what you're saying?
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Well, they wouldn't respond to commands.
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There you go.
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Yeah, look at me.
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And I'll twist it around.
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Also, in something that has nothing to do with this episode, I think it's hilarious the way that other languages will write the sound of a dog bark.
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You can look it up for yourselves, folks.
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I think you'll enjoy it.
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Oh, I forgot.
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Hi, I'm Ben.
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Whoa.
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That was the longest preamble, pre-named drop opening ever.
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My name's Noel.
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And just to get it out of the way, not get it out of the way, this is a cause for celebration.
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We'd like to welcome back with open arms, our super producer, Kasey Pegrum.
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It's been too long.
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Kasey, thank you so much for returning here to the States, here to the studio, here to ridiculous history.
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Kasey's into dogs, right?
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You like dogs?
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I'm a dog person.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah.
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What would you say?
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You're more a dog person or a cat person?
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I'm pretty, yeah, I had both growing up.
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So I'm pretty agnostic or ambidextrous.
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I got you.
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Yeah.
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ambidextrous with your animal affection.
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Yeah.
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So it's interesting because we often hear of this divide between cats and dogs.
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And with just a brief nod to the science behind domestication, it's fascinating.
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Noel dogs were domesticated by people, but cats largely domesticated themselves.
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Cats do everything for themselves, man.
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They're persnickety little creatures who don't need us.
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And they will eat us when we die in our apartments, sad and alone.
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Or if the size difference was reversed, they would also eat you.
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Totally.
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If I told you about how my cat brings little presents and just looks like they look like satanic rituals laid out on my doorstep, like decapitated squirrels and you know, with the guts in the shape of a pentagram.
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And it's horrifying.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I share a bed with this thing.
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What am I thinking?
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A colleague and someone worked with in the past Lauren Vocalbaum has the same thing with her cat.
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That's because you guys have indoor outdoor cats.
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I finally put a bell on that little bastard.
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And now I'm hoping to give those things a fighting chance.
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See, I let my cats just be the agents of chaos.
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They were meant to me.
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That's true.
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And Lincoln appreciated cats.
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In addition to dogs, he's he referred to cats as like one of his hobbies.
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Yeah.
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But his old pal, his trusty sidekick through thick and thin.
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Well, up to a point was an old dog.
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Yeah.
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It was a dog.
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And today's episode that we're finally getting to is about this dog.
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It's also a way to answer a question about dog names because when you think of a dog, you think of generic dog names, right?
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Spot.
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Sparky.
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Yeah.
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Things like that.
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And I don't know about you know, but it's it's strange to me when I meet a dog with a person name.
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Yeah.
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Like Stephen or Ashley.
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I love it, though.
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I'm a fan of it.
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When I first heard of a pet that was named after a human, I thought that was the most clever thing in the world.
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The first one I met was neither dog nor a cat.
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It was a turtle.
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And I was so impressed.
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His name was Robert Lewis Stevenson.
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That's great.
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He was a very trepidacious explorative turtle.
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Sure.
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Very slowly exploring his surroundings.
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He was tentative.
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But with dogs, there's one name that always feels like the generic, the quintessential name for a dog.
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Yeah, like a Kleenex.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Or zero.
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Yeah.
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But you know, for a dog, or Google, but for a dog.
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It's phyto, right?
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I know.
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Here, boy, here, phyto, here, phyto.
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You ever heard that in the Looney Tunes cartoon?
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Very popular Looney Tunes.
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I think some Disney stuff as well.
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These days, phyto isn't even in the top 100 common dog names.
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Because they're all named Steven and stuff.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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They're all named George Ashcroft or something.
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But now, even with the popularity of phyto declining, everybody in the English speaking world, at least, associates the name phyto, specifically with a dog.
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Yeah.
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Like, let me get a coke.
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You mean a soda?
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Right.
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Let me see that phyto.
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You mean that dog?
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It's like that.
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And it turns out, right?
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That there's a reason for this.
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There is a traceable, specific reason that phyto became known world over as a dog's name.
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And it goes back to our boy, young rail splitter himself, Abraham Lincoln.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The, that old yellow dog we were talking about, his name was phyto.
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And he was a mongrel, kind of a mixed breed, yellow floppy eard fellow that Lincoln just adored.
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And he loved to play with phyto around his home in Springfield, Illinois, with his sons, Tad and Willie, who are stories of their own.
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Believe you me.
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Yeah.
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As he, before he became president, he had several dogs and cats in his home in Illinois.
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And it seems like the crowd favorite was phyto.
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At least Lincoln's favorite was phyto.
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We'll get into a little bit more of the phyto lore later.
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But for now, in his heyday, Lincoln, before he became elected president, phyto, he would walk around town.
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You'd go get a little trim at the barber shop and phyto would wait patiently outside for him untied, just perfectly loyal.
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What's the word?
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A phyto is short for what?
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Fidelity.
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Right.
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The name is Latin for faithful.
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Right.
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And for about five years before Abraham Lincoln became president, he was a lawyer.
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And phyto would just follow him everywhere.
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Yeah.
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Keep seeing mentions of phyto would even carry parcels for Lincoln in his mouth.
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Yeah.
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And he became sort of this walking business card for Lincoln as well in town, because they would see the little yellow dog.
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And they would know that the lawyer Lincoln was around.
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He was about.
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Yeah.
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But fame changes things, right?
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In 1863, as he was preparing to move to the White House to serve his commander chief of the US, people started to think that phyto was maybe a little too friendly, a little too outgoing.
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Not even a little fragile, right?
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Because when in his hometown, when the president won the election, there were all kinds of commotion, right?
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We had cannon fire, fireworks, screaming politicians, yeah.
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People farting.
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Yeah.
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All of that.
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Various noises.
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And phyto was spooked by this.
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He was not, he was not excited about this.
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It made him very uncomfortable.
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And he, you know, totally kind of withdrew.
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Yeah.
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He was described as a frisky mongrel in a life magazine profile of him at the time.
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So he did not accompany originally the, the Lincoln's to DC.
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Instead, they picked up a dog named Jip and two goats, nanny and nanko.
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And get where the goats to mow the lawn at the White House?
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You know, my old co-oscop Benjamin is all about that.
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Well, there's a service here in Atlanta where you can rent a goat that'll clean up your, their foliage.
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Yeah.
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And it's not just in Atlanta.
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When Scott recommended to me that I instead of repairing my lawnmower rent a goat, I thought he was joking.
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But Scott doesn't joke about stuff like that.
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He doesn't really joke.
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He's a very sincere dude.
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That's true.
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Shout out to Scott Benjamin, or is it like to refer to him as F.
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Scott Benjamin.
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So yeah, phyto stayed behind and it took a while.
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But the president, it was very important for him that his, his old trusty yellow dog, phyto, had a suitable home with suitable affections and spoilage,
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right?
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Yeah, exactly.
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And that's why he decided to have another person, a person he could trust, take care of phyto back there in Springfield.
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He contacted John Role, who was a carpenter and said, hey, you and your family, could you take care of phyto?
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He's, he's a great dog.
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You've seen him around town.
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He's the one who carries parcels.
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They were old pals.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And so he was already familiar with phyto, but just like any helicopter dog parent, as Lincoln left to pursue the presidency, he also left behind detailed instructions for phyto's day-to-day care and spoiling and the stuff he likes,
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stuff he doesn't like.
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Oh, dare we say conditions.
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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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What were some of those?
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Hit us.
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Whenever the role family was eating, they had to give scraps from the table to phyto.
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Also, he could never be yelled at or scolded for having muddy paws in the house.
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This becomes a theme with phyto, always having muddy paws and being a little too eager to hop up on people.
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And they gave him some equipment too, right?
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Give the roles some equipment.
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Yeah, it was a custom couch that Lincoln himself had built, because as we know, unlike the myth of Napoleon being extra mega super short, he was just sort of an average height,
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maybe a little shorter than average.
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Lincoln was, in fact, quite tall.
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Yes, and some people have speculated is due to a condition known as Marfan syndrome, but regardless of the cause, Lincoln himself was one heck of a scarecrow.
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He was six feet four, very skinny, looked like you could tie a kite to him and he would fly away.
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And so a couch that you would buy at the store was not going to accommodate a man of his height.
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His is a lanky frame.
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His legs would just be hanging off the side if he wanted to have a nice lie down, right?
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So yeah, I see this custom couch that was made of coarse hair.
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And it was also phyto's favorite piece of furniture.
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And I'm sure it had familiar smells and all that.
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And he made sure that the family that was taking phyto got this piece of furniture so that he could lounge around on it and feel super duper at home.
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And it's tough to overstate the importance of this sofa to phyto himself, because when he was frightened, this is the sofa he hid under.
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When he was happy, this is the sofa he lounged upon.
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In a very real way, the sofa, second to Abraham Lincoln, is the most important thing in the home to phyto.
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We mentioned earlier Lincoln's sons, right?
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-Tad and Willie.
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-Yeah, Tad and Willie.
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And they were, of course, hit by this.
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This was their childhood dog.
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They're saying, "Oh, Shucks, good on dad for being the president, but why can't phyto come?"
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-It's the end of an era, you know?
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But they, I'm sure dad, Ole Honest Abe, explained it to the boys very gingerly.
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And I'm sure they they came to understand.
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I'm speculating here a little bit, but they seemed like good boys.
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-You might have said, "Look, I can do two goats.
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It's the best I could do."
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-Well, yeah.
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Hey, that's a good deal, though.
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Man, one dog for two goats.
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-I don't know.
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Dogs don't mow your lawn either.
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Those goats, though, apparently were hellraisers in the wildhouse.
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The staffers did not like them because they would like not only chew up the grass, like they would chew up like everything.
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-Have you ever hung out with a goat with their weird octopus eyes?
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-You mean greatest of all time?
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I'm flattered, Noel.
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Thank you.
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No, the physical goats.
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-No, I have not.
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-I'd be afraid they'd buck.
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-Yeah, they're weird.
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They can be affectionate, but they will eat darn near anything.
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-Yeah.
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-Like, you know, your fist or your heart.
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-But that's just with their cuddlingness.
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-Yeah.
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So, yeah, so despite all the gestures and all the reassurances you can make, anybody who has been a parent who had to explain the loss of a pet to a child understands that it's heavy and deep stuff,
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whether it's just moving or whether the pet has passed away.
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And perhaps ridiculous historians, as you're listening, you're thinking of moments in your life when you were a child and you lost a pet or you were somehow put out of contact with it.
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It's very psychologically trying and Lincoln, you know, go with allegedly here, allegedly Lincoln attempted to combat this by resorting to a relatively new technology at the time.
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-Yeah, you wanted to, you know, have a nice family portrait of Fido.
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We've got these images around today.
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It's great.
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You can see him, like, lounging on what is it?
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Like a throw rug kind of situation?
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What do we got here?
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-Yeah, it looks like he is on a table with a nice rug or heavy tablecloth and he's got his paws just roguishly hanging off,
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like he's ready to jump, but he's comfortable.
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-This is back when you would have had to stand really still.
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Doesn't it seem like taking a picture of a dog would be challenging and best?
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-Yeah, it would have to be a super chill dog.
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-Yeah.
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-But be that as it may, turned out it worked.
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And there's a pretty good photograph of Fido, which you can find if you just google Fido Abraham Lincoln.
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-We did find one wrinkle to the story here, at least in terms of chronology, right?
00:24:09
-Yeah, and this is how we start getting, well, I think we can use this as a jumping off point into the kind of sad part of this story.
00:24:16
There is a story, and by the name of Dr.
00:24:18
James Cornelius, who curates the Abraham Lincoln Collection at the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library and Museum, who says there are some issues with the chronology of when this photograph was taken.
00:24:30
Original reports suggested that Lincoln himself commissioned it, and it seems maybe a little more likely that it was done in the aftermath of President Abraham Lincoln's assassination,
00:24:42
when Phyda would have been a very famous dog.
00:24:45
And some eagle-eyed photog around Springfield thought it might be a hot ticket item to have photographs of the dog that they could sell to mourners.
00:24:56
-Yeah, so you'll hear two different versions of the chronology here.
00:24:59
You'll hear that the photo was made after the assassination, or you'll hear that it was made beforehand.
00:25:08
And regardless, either way, this photo gets into newspapers, and Phyda, the dog himself, and just the name Phyda,
00:25:18
becomes universally acclaimed in the US, and probably a little bit beyond the US as well.
00:25:25
So this is when people start naming their own dogs, Phyda, right?
00:25:30
A kid sees a dog in the newspaper, and the dog's name is Phyda, and they think I'm going to name my dog Phyda, just like President Lincoln's dog.
00:25:39
And when Lincoln was assassinated in 1865 in the fourth theater, this did very little to Phyda's popularity.
00:25:49
In fact, it added to it, isn't that correct?
00:25:53
-Yes, Ben.
00:25:54
That's exactly right.
00:25:55
People would line up to meet the presidential dog.
00:26:00
And here's a little bit of a breakdown of the story of this photograph, as it kind of like weaves into this part of the story.
00:26:08
So this guy by the name of F.W.
00:26:11
Ingmeyer had a photo studio in Springfield.
00:26:15
And according to the original story, it was in late 1860 or early 1861.
00:26:21
There are actually three shots of Phyda, one, nice from the front shot, and then two profile shots where he's a little bit more kind of hunkered down, like he's a swimming, you know, he's trying to forward a stream of some kind,
00:26:32
right?
00:26:33
-And the exposure makes them all look radically different.
00:26:36
-Yeah, it's true.
00:26:37
The one from the front is very sepia looking.
00:26:40
And then there's another sepia looking one from the side that is very high contrast kind of like the, what the background is totally white and you can't see any textures almost blown out.
00:26:53
And then the last one, which I think is by far the most successful of the photographs aesthetically, you can see that the wall has kind of a shaded shadowy look to it.
00:27:02
And the dog's fur is properly exposed and you can see the texture of the rug and there's a lot more detail in this one.
00:27:09
-Yeah, there's also the fur is so detailed that it almost looks like Phyda might have some German shepherd in them.
00:27:18
So Ingmeyer, F.W.
00:27:19
Ingmeyer, has also become the subject of investigation, especially by a guy named Dick Hart in his book, Springfield Illinois's 19th century photographers.
00:27:31
-But the problem is that apparently between 1860 and 1861, Ingmeyer wasn't, didn't have a photographic studio.
00:27:41
He was actually working as a minister in the Baptist faith.
00:27:45
I guess that was his weekend job.
00:27:48
And then he was also a sewing machine salesman.
00:27:52
-Yeah, he was selling sewing machines and probably preaching on the side as well.
00:27:57
He ran a bunch of ads in various papers for his sewing machine agency, but he didn't even start paying for a photographer's license until 1862.
00:28:11
-I'm sorry, a photographer's license?
00:28:14
-Uh-huh.
00:28:14
It was a different time.
00:28:15
-That seems, yeah, wow.
00:28:17
-Well, also, it's a really new technology.
00:28:20
So you probably, it's a new technology, you probably, and I'm just spitballing here, man, you probably have to have some sort of training.
00:28:28
Safety training.
00:28:29
They've got those flash bulbs.
00:28:30
They can take your eye out and burn your fingers at their best.
00:28:34
-I mean, new technology is always a pain.
00:28:36
Have you ever watched videos of someone attempting to start a Model T?
00:28:41
It's crazy.
00:28:42
You can break your arm.
00:28:44
-Well, just with like the, you got to like pull it like a lawnmower.
00:28:47
-You have to crank it.
00:28:48
-Yeah.
00:28:48
-You have to, you have to...
00:28:50
-It's like starting a chart of crank.
00:28:52
-Oh, okay.
00:28:52
That's crank.
00:28:53
-And if it gets contagious, it will fly back with such force that it'll break your forearm.
00:28:57
-Or kick back at you, wow.
00:28:59
-So probably, I would like to think taking a photograph is not that dangerous, or didn't have that possibility for danger, but yeah, to have some training.
00:29:07
And what you brought up here is really important because we're looking, again, at the timeline.
00:29:13
So that's 1862, right?
00:29:16
-That's right.
00:29:16
That is allegedly when he began to pay for this license and installments, I'm imagining.
00:29:22
And that's that's $10 total for the license, which was, you know, a pretty penny back in 1862.
00:29:31
-And he first ran an ad for his photography business in October of 1864 because there were a lot of soldiers passing through nearby camp Butler.
00:29:43
It's important to say that this chronology of the license and the advertisements, this chronology does not prove that Ingmar did not take those pictures of this pooch in 1860 or 1861.
00:30:00
But it calls it into question, you know?
00:30:04
-That's right.
00:30:05
And this is all from a fantastic post of, you know, speculating on this chronology because again, a lot of this stuff is just that speculation.
00:30:12
But it comes from a pretty solid source, the guy by the name of Dr.
00:30:16
James Cornelius, who's the curator of that Abraham Lincoln collection at the Abraham Lincoln presidential library and museum.
00:30:23
So if anyone knows, he ought to know.
00:30:25
-Yeah, he's the leading expert.
00:30:28
Literally, he sold a matched set, Ingmar, that is, sold a match set of four photos with identical backmarks, which are,
00:30:39
think of it.
00:30:40
You may have seen your parents do this writing on the back of a photograph with the name and date, the time or description.
00:30:47
-Yeah, like a time code that you would see cameras these days, actually.
00:30:51
Not so much, but like they used to be when you get the prints, maybe that annoying little watermark in the bottom left hand corner that was the time and the day.
00:30:58
There's something kind of similar, if not more analog at play here.
00:31:02
-Right, yeah, exactly.
00:31:03
And in this book that we mentioned by Hart, there's this match set of four photographs that Ingmar sold with these backmarks.
00:31:14
And in the heart book, they're dated back to 1865 and 1866.
00:31:19
The four photographs are the following, a hillside tomb at Oak Ridge Cemetery, photograph of Lincoln's old home, photograph of a horse known as Old Bob,
00:31:32
which I think is a cool horse name.
00:31:33
-Is that the same as Old Robin?
00:31:35
Is that short for it?
00:31:36
Because I've seen it both ways to the F2 horses, because Rob could be short for, no, Bob could be short for Robin.
00:31:42
-Bob could be short for, yeah.
00:31:44
-Yeah.
00:31:45
Because Robin is, I don't know, the photograph that I'm seeing is actually captioned President Lincoln's horse Old Robin.
00:31:52
-It's got to be the same horse.
00:31:53
-I've seen the same photograph and then I'm looking at the description from Dr.
00:31:58
Cornelius.
00:31:59
So maybe Dr.
00:32:00
Cornelius is just so familiar with him that he calls him Old Bob.
00:32:03
-Oh Bob, yeah.
00:32:04
-He's been a lot of time researching this.
00:32:05
-Also in the photograph, they were more formal.
00:32:08
You know, that was the horse's Christian name.
00:32:11
But if you were familiar, you could call him Old Bob.
00:32:14
-But most importantly, that fourth photograph is the high quality profile snap of Fido.
00:32:22
-You know these look like Ben?
00:32:23
These look like the kinds of postcards you would buy at a gift shop for like the Grand Canyon or President Abraham Lincoln's boyhood home or what have you, right?
00:32:33
-Yeah.
00:32:33
-So the theory here is that no, these photos were not commissioned by Lincoln himself during his life.
00:32:40
They were done as a kind of get-rich quick scheme by this guy Ingmeyer when Lincoln's death brought droves of mourners and people paying their respects to Springfield.
00:32:51
-So why do we believe Dr.
00:32:53
Cornelius is a version of the events?
00:32:56
Well, that's primarily because he has matched times and dates into a single unified chronology and the story about Lincoln commissioning the photographs actually comes to us through John Roll,
00:33:13
primarily.
00:33:14
And we're not saying Roll was lying, but it's very easy for him to be mistaken.
00:33:20
You can't really blame someone for getting the details of a dog picture a little bit off decades and decades later.
00:33:27
-I have heard of worse historical blunders, my friend.
00:33:30
-So Dr.
00:33:31
Cornelius finds a kicker, a nail in the chronological coffin here.
00:33:39
He says that if the Lincoln boys, Tatum Willie, had a photograph of Fido in the White House, why does it not have that same backmark,
00:33:49
the mark that Ingmeyer used to distinguish his photographs?
00:33:54
Why doesn't it have one from 1860 to 1861?
00:33:57
The thing is, the one surviving copy today is identical to the images from 1865 in both the label and the backmark that indicates the provenance of the photo.
00:34:09
If someone took a photo of Fido for the boys in 1861, why would it have needed the label President Lincoln's dog?
00:34:18
You can find the family's photo album today in the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library Museum or Apple Blum.
00:34:27
-That's the acronym.
00:34:30
-That is a literal mouthful of word salad.
00:34:33
-Yeah, but you can find the photo album today and it doesn't have all of the photos about half of them are missing,
00:34:44
but the other half are in the Lincoln Financial Foundation collection in Fort Wayne, Indiana.
00:34:51
So, to Cornelius, to Dr.
00:34:53
Cornelius, all of this evidence points to the photo being taken in 1865.
00:34:58
-I think I have some good detective work there from the good doctor.
00:35:02
-I agree.
00:35:03
He is the Sherlock Holmes of Abraham Lincoln dog photos.
00:35:08
-Dog photos.
00:35:09
-Yeah.
00:35:09
-Yeah.
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00:39:14
Guys, you might be saying, look, I get it.
00:39:20
The dog picture was probably made in '65, not '61.
00:39:24
But for Pete's sake, for Fido's sake, can't you just let me enjoy a cute picture of a doggo?
00:39:30
Yeah, I mean, seriously, it was like one of the original doggo memes.
00:39:33
But also, you know, we really did spend a lot of time talking about those pictures.
00:39:37
I'm fascinated by the whole, the mystery of it.
00:39:39
And then when things make their way into official accounts that then proved to not be the case.
00:39:47
But this story does take an interesting turn.
00:39:50
Dare I say a pretty sad turn for old Fido.
00:39:53
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
00:39:55
So, obviously, it's a national tragedy when Abraham Lincoln is assassinated.
00:40:02
And it turns out that Fido also met an unfortunate end.
00:40:07
In 1866, about a year after Lincoln's assassination, Fido, again, very much a dog of the people never met a person he didn't like.
00:40:15
Fido was walking along, minding his own business, and he sniffs across somebody who appears to be sleeping on the sidewalk.
00:40:22
I thought you were going to say sniffs a crotch of someone who appeared to be sleeping on the side.
00:40:27
Possibly both.
00:40:27
I bet you, if a friendly dog met, you didn't move.
00:40:31
The first thing you would do is sniff your butt.
00:40:33
Yeah, he's supposed to be sure if you're cool.
00:40:34
But this guy was not cool as it turns out.
00:40:37
There's a couple of accounts of the story, conflicting accounts.
00:40:40
We'll go with the most sensationalized depressing account, which is that first, that is, which is that this intoxicated gentleman that's roused about,
00:40:51
this kind of delinquent guy, woke from his drunken stupor and stabbed the dog to death with a knife.
00:41:03
And a panic, right?
00:41:04
And if he was being attacked.
00:41:05
Well, yeah, and I've even seen, it was even written up that it was more malicious that he was just like in his drunken rage.
00:41:11
We should probably read that one actually.
00:41:12
It was a letter that came from the caretaker of the dog.
00:41:17
Yes.
00:41:18
In 1954, John rolled the caretaker of Fido himself, relayed the following information to Time Magazine.
00:41:25
Okay, so more of an interview than a letter.
00:41:26
But here we go.
00:41:27
I didn't realize this came so late in the game.
00:41:30
He must have been quite old.
00:41:31
So you can see how he could get some facts rolling.
00:41:33
Yeah.
00:41:34
So, but the way he tells it is a little bit more, the, this is the most malicious account of this, this guy.
00:41:39
He says, quote, we possess the dog for a number of years, until one day the dog in a playful manner put his dirty paws, there's dirty paws again, upon a drunken man sitting on the street,
00:41:49
curbing, which I think that means like whittling.
00:41:52
And in a drunken rage thrust his knife into the body of poor old Fido.
00:41:57
So Fido, just a poor yellow dog, met the same fate as his illustrious master assassination.
00:42:04
So that's, that's the most sensationalized version.
00:42:07
But as, as we've established earlier, that may not be entirely accurate.
00:42:12
And even today, people disagree on the specifics.
00:42:15
We're talking about this guy, right?
00:42:18
Who's on the street, whittling his pine stick or whatever.
00:42:22
But we haven't given him a name yet.
00:42:26
No, we haven't.
00:42:26
And that's the thing about the way these kinds of stories get passed around.
00:42:31
It's really easy to want to demonize the man who murdered Abe Lincoln's old yellow mongrel dog in the streets in a drunken rage.
00:42:39
But a little less cut and dry when you actually realize that there's a human here with the story.
00:42:46
Another spin on this story that you can find comes from a story in the Illinois State Journal from 1893.
00:42:54
And here is a quote from that that also gifts him pretty.
00:42:58
Pretty sad details to the end of old Fido's life, whichever way he ultimately went, whether by force or by accident.
00:43:06
Quote, he Fido was exceedingly friendly and had a habit of showing his congeniality by depositing his muddy yellow forepause plump on the breast of any who addressed him familiarly.
00:43:16
Oh, and you can't yell at him for his pause.
00:43:19
Yeah, that's another one of Lincoln's conditions to the role family.
00:43:22
I continue his excessive friendliness eventually caused his death in a very unique way.
00:43:28
And that Fido suffered the fate of his master assassination.
00:43:31
The dog, which was a yellow fellow of moderate size, ran against Charlie Plank, who was whittling a stick with a sharp, long-bladed knife.
00:43:40
By an accidental move while the dog was expressing himself in caresses, the blade was buried deep in his body.
00:43:47
He shot out the door like a flash and was never seen again alive.
00:43:52
Apparently it was a week or more before they found his body.
00:43:56
About a month, right?
00:43:57
Yeah, behind the old chimney stack of the universalist church there in Springfield.
00:44:03
So he got stabbed and ran in fear, right?
00:44:07
That is what animals tend to do when they are mortally wounded.
00:44:10
They want to go die alone, I think a house or something.
00:44:14
And I think humans qualify as animals, that part.
00:44:18
Charlie Plank's story doesn't end with this murder of Fido.
00:44:23
We know a little bit more about him.
00:44:27
He had a couple of other encounters with law enforcement.
00:44:31
After he was, oh, we didn't mention it.
00:44:33
He was a veteran.
00:44:34
Yeah, that's right.
00:44:34
He was a veteran of the Civil War.
00:44:36
He was a member of Company G of the 114th Illinois Infantry Regiment, which was considered a pretty illustrious company if I'm not mistaken.
00:44:46
Yeah.
00:44:47
And we know that he had been beaten and robbed by two men on North Seventh Street.
00:44:54
In 1865, we know he got an argument with a guy named Peter Burns in 1868, ending the argument by drawing a revolver with a small shot and shooting burns in the shoulder.
00:45:09
Again, it was a different time.
00:45:11
He also got, he also was involved in a court case.
00:45:18
Burns was fined at the sum of three dollars, quote, for using language to Charles Plank calculated to provoke a breach of the piece.
00:45:26
Language, you say fighting words.
00:45:28
Oh, my goodness.
00:45:29
He said you wastroll.
00:45:30
You dunderhead a wastroll.
00:45:32
Is that like a waskily rabbit?
00:45:33
It's a wasteful or good for nothing person.
00:45:36
That was that must have fallen out of popularity.
00:45:39
You can't know that one.
00:45:39
So we know what roughly happened to Plank.
00:45:45
He had his ups, he had his downs.
00:45:46
He had been in some legal altercations.
00:45:50
He moved to Michigan eventually, worked as a clerk and expressman and passed away in March of 1917.
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He is buried on the grounds of the Grand Rapids veteran home.
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Now this, this sounds like it's all ending on a downer, but this is, that's not the case.
00:46:11
Because when we look at phyto, you know what it reminds me of.
00:46:16
It reminds me of how Max the gorilla in South Africa grabbed such attention and really locked into the zeitgeist.
00:46:25
Photography is a relatively new medium.
00:46:28
People love animals.
00:46:30
There's a picture of an animal that is published in syndicated papers across the nation.
00:46:38
People are against stabbing animals.
00:46:41
Thank god generally speaking.
00:46:41
That's part of the story I didn't know though.
00:46:43
I knew about phyto and I knew he was Abe Lincoln's old yellow mongrel best friend for life.
00:46:49
I didn't know that that kind of more melancholy part of the story.
00:46:53
So it's interesting.
00:46:55
But yeah, and to this day, I mean, like you said, phyto equals dog like Xerox equals, you know, photocopy.
00:47:02
Right, right, right.
00:47:03
Or Google equals internet search.
00:47:06
You mean web crawler.
00:47:07
We talk about Google.
00:47:08
What are the other ones?
00:47:09
There's prodigy, uh, light coasts.
00:47:12
Yeah, yeah.
00:47:14
And, uh, you know, lactose.
00:47:15
And that's a different.
00:47:16
That's the different thing entirely.
00:47:18
You might still have your AOL CDs, friends and neighbors.
00:47:21
I keep a stack of them to use as coasters and just to hand out to people at party gifts when they come by the house.
00:47:27
I always love to frisbee them.
00:47:29
Me and my old dog would, uh, would frisbee those.
00:47:33
Oh man, tell us about your old dog.
00:47:34
Uh, it's too soon, man.
00:47:37
Really?
00:47:37
Yeah.
00:47:37
Wow.
00:47:38
So beloved pets.
00:47:39
A beloved pet.
00:47:40
Very much.
00:47:41
So I love pets.
00:47:42
And we hope you do too.
00:47:44
Uh, yes, phyto became the world's most famous dog for time because I think of a more famous one because mass media was going out.
00:47:52
Let's see.
00:47:52
There's that one they shot into space, right?
00:47:55
Mm-hmm.
00:47:55
Yeah.
00:47:56
Make that up.
00:47:56
No, the Russian dog.
00:47:57
Okay.
00:47:58
And then they're, don't know its name, though.
00:47:59
Uh, I can't remember.
00:48:01
We can find it.
00:48:02
His name is unrecorded.
00:48:03
And we should do a thing on animals in space, but spoiler.
00:48:07
There are a couple of, uh, doubters.
00:48:09
Yeah.
00:48:10
But yes, especially if you're again, like you should be against animal cruelty.
00:48:14
Right.
00:48:15
Right.
00:48:15
And so although phyto's life ended too soon, he remains immortal as a symbol, the symbol, at least in American English, for all things cannot.
00:48:26
He is the quintessential, I believe we used the word earlier, the quintessential image of a faithful, friendly dog.
00:48:35
A good boy.
00:48:36
A good boy with, with B-O-Y-E.
00:48:40
Here comes that good boy.
00:48:41
Oh snap.
00:48:41
What up?
00:48:42
What up?
00:48:42
Family show.
00:48:43
Let's look it up for yourself.
00:48:45
Uh, so here ends our story of the rise and fall in a mortal fame of the most famous presidential dog, the frisky yellow phyto.
00:48:56
But the story doesn't stop there and it doesn't stop with phyto.
00:49:00
If you haven't checked it out yet, do check out our community page, ridiculous historians where I believe, uh, no, was it you or was it one of our fellow listeners who started that awesome thread about pets?
00:49:15
There's a cat thread.
00:49:16
I think it's specifically about cats and, um, yeah, I posted a picture of my, my good boy, bad boy, really.
00:49:21
Robert Fernando.
00:49:22
Robert Fernando.
00:49:24
Um, because he's, you know, like I said, at the top of the show always bringing creepy little, uh, tributes, remembered tributes.
00:49:32
Yeah.
00:49:32
I'm not a fan.
00:49:33
He might be trying to teach you to hunt.
00:49:35
Yeah.
00:49:36
But, uh, but do let us know about the, uh, dogs in your life.
00:49:41
Send Casey and Nolan, I some pictures, find us on ridiculous historians.
00:49:46
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00:49:54
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00:49:55
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