In this soul-stirring episode of Project Red, we’re exploring what it means to Replenish—when the climb feels steeper than the strength you have left, and yet you keep going.
Our hosts, Patrick Austin and Will McGinniss, sit down with Amy Alexander, a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and CEO/Co-Founder of The Refuge Center for Counseling—a place that has made healing accessible to thousands, regardless of their ability to pay.
With nearly two decades in the trenches of trauma care, Amy brings raw wisdom about leadership, rest, soul work, and what it looks like to walk people through their “second journey”—that moment in life when the old script stops working and something deeper is calling.

Here’s what we’re getting into:
🔥 The story behind The Refuge Center and why everyone deserves access to healing
🔥 What to do when you can’t carry the mission God gave you anymore
🔥 Why the words “I need help” might just save your life
🔥 How to Replenish your soul when your personal well runs dry
🔥 The critical rhythms that sustain leaders doing heavy, holy work
🔥 “Shark music”—what it is, how it distorts your story, and what to do about it

Amy’s honesty about crashing and burning, her hard-won insights on rest and truth-telling, and her deep passion for helping others heal make this a conversation you won’t forget. If you’re in a season of burnout, big questions, or quiet collapse—this one’s for you.
Listen in. Take a breath. Find the space where it’s safe to tell the truth. And start again.

Follow the Refuge Center
Website: refugecenter.org
Take a virtual tour of the Refuge Center: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5E5wfRMlMg
Learn more about Amy: https://refugecenter.org/staff/amy-alexander/
Instagram: @refugecenterforcounseling
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/therefugecenter
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amy-alexander-258a03248

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