We’re joined by MacArthur “Genius” and legendary activist Dr. Loretta Ross for a conversation that left us grounded, challenged, and deeply moved. From her early work in reproductive justice and anti-violence movements, to her current mission disrupting “call-out culture,” Dr. Ross offers us a path forward rooted in grace, accountability, and radical love.

We explore what it means to “call in” rather than call out—especially in an era where public shaming feels ever-present and social media rewards outrage. Dr. Ross shares her personal story of trauma, healing, and transformation, and helps us understand how real change happens not through perfection or purity, but through connection and curiosity.

Together we unpack the power of holding ourselves and others accountable without dehumanizing. We talk parenting, public schools, and what it means to stay in the struggle without breaking our link in the “chain of freedom.”

Whether you’re navigating tricky conversations in your school community or trying to show up better in the fight for justice, this episode is for you.

LINKS:

• Calling In: How to Start Making Change with Those You'd Rather Cancel - Dr. Ross's new book
• What If Instead of Calling People Out, We Called Them In? - NY Times Article about Dr. Ross's work
• What Is A Good Parent?  Blog post by NY Chapter member, Meredith Winfrey
• Mothers of Massive Resistance: White Women and the Politics of White Supremacy - Dr. Elizabeth McRae
• Ep 11 – White Women and the Politics of White Supremacy - Dr. McRae's 1st time on our show
• S5E14 - White Supremacy and Black Educational Excellence - Dr. McRae's 2nd time on our show

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The Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.

This episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits.

Music by Kevin Casey.