Can Defense in Depth Work for AI? (with Adam Gleave)
Description
Adam Gleave is co-founder and CEO of FAR.AI. In this cross-post from The Cognitive Revolution Podcast, he joins to discuss post-AGI scenarios and AI safety challenges. The conversation explores his three-tier framework for AI capabilities, gradual disempowerment concerns, defense-in-depth security, and research on training less deceptive models. Topics include timelines, interpretability limitations, scalable oversight techniques, and FAR.AI’s vertically integrated approach spanning technical research, policy advocacy, and field-building.
LINKS:
Adam Gleave - https://www.gleave.me
FAR.AI - https://www.far.ai
The Cognitive Revolution Podcast - https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai
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CHAPTERS:
(00:00 ) A Positive Post-AGI Vision
(10:07 ) Surviving Gradual Disempowerment
(16:34 ) Defining Powerful AIs
(27:02 ) Solving Continual Learning
(35:49 ) The Just-in-Time Safety Problem
(42:14 ) Can Defense-in-Depth Work?
(49:18 ) Fixing Alignment Problems
(58:03 ) Safer Training Formulas
(01:02:24 ) The Role of Interpretability
(01:09:25 ) FAR.AI's Vertically Integrated Approach
(01:14:14 ) Hiring at FAR.AI
(01:16:02 ) The Future of Governance
SOCIAL LINKS:
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