Our hosts Kimberly Wagner and Marvin Wickware talk about modeling care and justice, preaching hard messages, and resisting white supremacy. 

Our first guest today is not a guest! Marvin Wickware takes the guest seat to discuss his research into white supremacy, race relations, and what makes racial reconciliation work succeed and fail. 

Our second guest is Vicar Carolyn Lawrence, an LSTC student on her final year internship in Upstate New York. 

Lifted up today:

• Dear Church: A Love Letter from a Black Preacher to the Whitest Denomination in the US by Lenny Duncan
• Surviving a Dangerous Sermon by Frank A Thomas
• Writings from Lenny Duncan, including a 5 part series on "Why the ELCA Needs to Start a Reparations Process."
• Visit lstc.edu/events for information on the upcoming Vine Deloria Jr. Theological Symposium, November 17-18th.

We'd love to hear from you! Send your questions or feedback to lstcpodcast@gmail.com.

Our music is by Keith “Doc” Hampton. Thanks to Frantisek Janak and Michael Liotus for technology support. This episode was produced and edited by Eric Fowler (Halvorson). 

This podcast was made possible by the Lyn C. and Stewart W. Herman Jr. Fund for Innovation in Theological Education.