Welcome to the Great Women in Compliance podcast with Hemma Lomax and Lisa Fine, sponsored by Corporate Compliance Insight and a part of the Compliance Podcast Network.  My guest today isn’t really a guest; she’s so much more.  She is an architect of GWIC, my first partner in compliance, and my first compliance friend, who remains a dear friend to this day.  She coined the phrase “Send the Elevator Back Down,” taught me about tall poppy syndrome, and I am still using her cheat codes.  Of course, it’s Mary Shirley!

Mary, can you update everyone on all the cool things that have been happening since you became, as we call it, #GWICemerita?

As a global compliance leader who has lived in several countries and now three very different states in the US, what do you see as the principles of a “culture of integrity” that apply to any business, regardless of geography or industry?

• While there have been changes in US laws, particularly the FCPA, and newer laws in the EU and the UK, among others, are you seeing any shifts in how to define – or communicate – a culture of integrity?


• You have compiled a list of questions for job seekers to ask about the terms of compliance programs and a culture of integrity. What do you think is the most revealing one and why?

I look forward to seeing you very soon at SCCE CEI.  You and Matt Kelly are presenting “AI Governance for N00bs: A Beginner’s Guide for the Non-Tech Compliance Practitioner” on Sunday to kick off the event.

• What do you see as the biggest opportunities for compliance professionals to use AI and machine learning?


• What challenges do you see for integrating AI and machine learning into their compliance program, and how should we approach it?


• What about the algorithmic bias?


• It seems like ethics and compliance are being welcomed as “partners” at the AI governance table. What do you think is the most significant reason for this shift, and what can a compliance professional do to ensure they maintain that strategic seat at the table?

When you think about the first 200 episodes, do you have a specific non-substantive, non-podcast memory that sticks out to you?  Besides the origin story – which I still tell!