Checks, Balances, and Power Concentration (with Rose Hadshar and Nora Ammann)
Update: 2025-12-12
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Rose Hadshar (Forethought) and Nora Ammann (ARIA) talk about power concentration, checks and balances, coups, and post-AGI political economy.
This is the audio version of a video podcast. Watch the video on YouTube: youtu.be/PB855Xpx1kk?si=v05LVM-2VQ3XiT7N
Prompted in part by Rose's recent article for 80,000 Hours on ‘Extreme power concentration’ — 80000hours.org/problem-profiles/extreme-power-concentration
Timstamps:
- 00:00:00 Intro
- 00:01:26 What is ‘power concentration’? Is power concentration the right framing?
- 00:05:25 When can it be good for power to be centralised?
- 00:09:40 Is ‘checks and balances’ a better framing?
- 00:11:16 How AI undermines existing checks and balances
- 00:15:25 Economic power, meme complexes, and cultural influence
- 00:28:50 AI companies vs governments as centres of power
- 00:31:25 The difficulty of knowing where power actually lies
- 00:40:05 Do humans and AIs concentrate power differently?
- 00:48:38 Should we be trying to imagine a better post-AGI political economy?
- 00:56:28 Concrete actions: transparency & whistleblower protections
- 00:59:07 Human-AI teaming and collaborative intelligence
- 01:01:16 AI agent economies and proving trustworthiness
- 01:13:16 Can we train AI to follow the law?
- 01:16:33 Building resilient coalitions of trustworthy agents
- 01:18:42 Closing reflections
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