The alpha and omega, Clay McLeod Chapman returns to the podcast to chat about his 2025 releases, Acquired Taste, Shiny Happy People, and more. While we kicked off the year chatting about Wake Up and Open Your Eyes, it’s a real delight to begin to bring this year to a close talking about first loves, tragedy, maintaining self, healing, Dave Matthews, REM, and axolotls. And then some. As always, getting to chat with Clay is a treat, and if you wanna keep up with him on socials/order his books, check out the links below:

* Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/claymcleod/

* Threads: https://www.threads.com/@claymcleod

* BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/claymcleod.bsky.social

* Website: https://www.claymcleodchapman.com/books/

* To order Acquired Taste: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/790250/acquired-taste-by-clay-mcleod-chapman/

* To order Shiny Happy People: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/769642/shiny-happy-people-by-clay-mcleod-chapman/

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