Donn Denman was an engineer at Apple in the very early years and is now at Google. In our conversation he shares what it was like working with Steve Jobs, what it's like today at Google, and how vision and passion can change the world.

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Written and Produced: Chris Williams

Original Theme written by: John Stephens

Sound effects: ZapSplat

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