I've known Dan Heath since 7th grade; we grew up in Houston, Texas and worked on our school newspaper together. Since then, he's co-authored multiple New York Times bestselling books and his latest, "Upstream", is a great read. It's a deep dive into think about problems with foresight, in an attempt to cut them off at the pass and solve them before they happen. It's an insightful and frustratingly relevant book for our times.

Dan is also one of the smartest people I know, and it was a pleasure catching up with him on a variety of topics... the difficulty of justifying upstream framing, intuition versus data, Y2K, climate change, the hot hand in basketball, the video game Pitfall, and a great place to get grilled biscuits and molasses in Raleigh.

You can register for a giveaway of Dan's book at http://club.chrisgrace.com. Please subscribe and leave a review at your favorite podcast directory, and I'd love to hear any questions or comments that you have at podcast@chrisgrace.com. Thanks!