Dave Clawson and Dabo Swinney became good friends over the course of Clawson's 11 seasons as head coach at Wake Forest.

Clawson came agonizingly close to beating Clemson but never did, and he says he's particularly haunted by the 2022 game the Tigers won 51-45 in double overtime on the Deacons' home field.

Clawson has great respect for not just the program and culture Swinney has built, but for the 2025 team that he believes looks a lot like the powerhouse that won two national titles and advanced to the playoffs every season from 2015 to 2020.

Bryce Koon covers LSU for The Bengal Tiger of the On3 network. He joins the podcast to share what Brian Kelly is like behind the scenes and says it's quite a lot different from what is perceived from afar.

How many LSU fans will trek to Clemson, even those who aren't going to get into the stadium? How much pressure is on Kelly to win big this year? And what can Clemson fans expect a year from now when Swinney's Tigers return the favor and visit Baton Rouge?