12-Step programs are sacred spaces—revolutionary in their simplicity and accessibility. Open to anyone seeking help, with no fees or barriers to entry, they have quietly helped millions of people and exist in roughly 180 countries worldwide. Despite their global presence, they remain humble and unassuming, never positioning themselves as an organization or weighing in on public controversies. At the heart of these programs is the concept of anonymity—maintaining it at the public level to ensure that principles, not personalities or status, remain the guiding force. This commitment to anonymity has allowed 12-Step programs to thrive and support countless individuals, reinforcing the idea that the strength of these programs lies in their collective message of recovery, not in any single person.

In this episode, Zac takes on the delicate and often confusing topic of anonymity in 12-step programs, particularly Alcoholics Anonymous. Since his time on The Bachelorette and entering public life, Zac has grappled with how to honor the core principles of AA—a program that’s been central to his recovery—while also wanting to share his experiences to help others.

Joined by his spiritual confidant and mentor of over a decade, Jay Devore, Zac navigates a thought-provoking and sometimes uncomfortable discussion. Together, they delve into the intricate balance of honoring the anonymity that has safeguarded AA for decades while confronting the realities of a world far removed from the 1950s when these traditions were established. Zac and Jay grapple with the appropriateness of even having this conversation, the reasons behind AA’s enduring effectiveness, and the need to reassess old tenets in a modern world where millions continue to struggle and stigma persists.

This episode is more than just a discussion—it’s a heartfelt exploration of authenticity, responsibility, and the evolving landscape of recovery and mental health. As Zac and Jay question what it means to share one’s truth in today’s world, they also examine the profound impact that doing so can have on others.

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