Doncha Know ‘Love Is Blind’ Is Back!
Update: 2025-02-14
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Juliet is joined by Nora Princiotti to discuss the return of ‘Love Is Blind’! First, they talk about how it being set in Minnesota compares to other seasons before getting into the couples. They discuss Joey and Monica’s clear attraction to each other (06:57 ) before getting into how weird David was (22:02 ). After, they get to Madison’s love triangle with Mason and Meg (30:04 ) and her relationship with Alex (44:00 ). Finally, they share their thoughts on Sara and Ben’s relationship and Virginia and Devin’s connection (50:07 ).
Host: Juliet Litman
Guest: Nora Princiotti
Producer: Olivia Crerie
Theme Song: Devon Renaldo
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Welcome to Bachelor party.
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It's one of our happiest times of year.
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Love is blind as back.
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I'm Julietette Litman.
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I'm here with Nora Prinsiyati.
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We're talking about season eight episodes one through six.
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If you haven't launched yet, put everything on hold, including this podcast, but mostly everything in your life and watch.
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And I promise you, you won't be able to watch just one because that is love is blind.
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The most addictive show in the world and the history of the format, I would say, the format being TV.
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And we're here to discuss it.
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Nora, welcome.
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How are you?
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Oh, I took so well, Juliette, in all of television.
00:02:32
I thought you were going to qualify that with like a reality or something, but we're just putting love is blind up there in the pantheon.
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I think this is like 24 and lost level addiction, like wow, can you just watch one episode of love?
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No, absolutely not.
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Absolutely not.
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I watched all six episodes that we're going to be discussing in not one sitting, but two settings.
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And it was only not one sitting because I simply had to go to sleep.
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Yeah, like I lost a Saturday.
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I was like, oh, I'll just pop this on while I'm cleaning.
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And then these episodes were really long.
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I think all of them were over an hour.
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So, you know, that's a full work day on a Saturday of watching love is blind.
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Yes.
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So we're in Minnesota.
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I would say this has to be where it's a really different feeling than the previous cast in part because it's like much wider.
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Like I feel like there's been a lot of diversity on love is blind.
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And that is not true this season.
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I'm curious for some of your big picture takeaways.
00:03:27
I think my biggest big picture takeaway is this is the fewest number of people from an overall cast that I think they've ever focused on through the first batch of episodes.
00:03:38
Like, there's so few people on the show.
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Yeah.
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There's some of sometimes when you see the other people in the living corners of scenes, I was like, I want to like, who are you?
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Maybe give me like a little bit of a story, but I do think the flip side is that there's not one couple where it's like, this is the central couple, or this is the central.
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There's no Jimmy and Chelsea.
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Yeah.
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So it's like a handful of central stories, but fewer things that they're focusing on overall.
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Totally.
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I really can't get over the Minnesota thing.
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I mean, it's just something by that everyone here and I'm, I've spent very little time in Minnesota in my life.
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I'm sorry if I'm being incredibly stereotypical here, but like, when I, if you said to me, picture someone from Minnesota, everyone that I would picture is in this cast.
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Oh, interesting.
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So you're like, it is just so, I mean, they're all talking about the lake and they all have the accent.
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Land of 10,000 lakes.
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Land of 10,000 lakes.
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And when they describe like, who was it, was it Alex who was going to buy a house?
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And when, whenever they start describing like real estate, I'm always like, okay, that's like a $3 million house anywhere in here in the Northeast, here in the Northeast.
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Yeah.
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I want a pool.
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I want a fire pit.
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I want a hot tub.
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I'm like, wow.
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Minnesota must be nice.
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I've always had a really high opinion of Minnesotans in general.
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I think there's no better way to knock down your faith in humanity, particularly men than to watch love is blind.
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So I will say I feel like you can only go down from having your city on love is blind, especially if that wasn't true.
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Actually, I like Charlotte more as a result of the Charlotte season, but I feel like for the Minneapolis St.
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Paul area in my mind, they were riding so high so that they're only going to go down from here, but I continue to like Minnesotans.
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I'm like, I get why they did this show there, like it makes a lot of sense to me.
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Do you believe in the like Minnesotan nice thing?
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I do.
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Yeah.
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I do believe in it.
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I think I do too, but I feel like sometimes it's masking something a little bit more sinister.
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Well, that's what Minnesotan nice is.
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Like, it seems nice, but it's actually like, you know, people are ready to cut you.
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So you believe that there's a second layer within?
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Oh, yeah, and I think Madison and body that to a tee, and we're going to talk a lot about her.
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She's the star.
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So it's one through six.
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Yeah.
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I can't wait.
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Fortunately, very little Nick and Vanessa, which like, why are they even on this show?
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Everyone knows they're not good when they are used and they were, they, this was the least we've ever seen them in a first episode, too.
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Did we see them for more collectively through these, these six than 45 seconds?
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I'm not sure it even got to that.
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What's that appearance?
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And that was it.
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What do you actually get paid for that?
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A ton.
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Like, absolutely like a lot.
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That's crazy.
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Because they started.
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They did not.
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I know.
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And then it's like, why do they even come back at the end?
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Like, I don't really get it.
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Every season of love is blind.
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They change something up and how the show is made.
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Like, you and I both watch a lot of TV and do you tell me you're in a big reality phase right now?
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That's been my whole life.
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Reality TV is very formatted and changes tend to be gradual.
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Like, I went back and I watched the challenge from like 15 years ago and I was like, wow, this looks so different.
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But love is blind.
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I feel like every season to season, there's notable changes.
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And this one, I'm like, wow, they really just like got into it right away.
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Like, they just sort of, I don't know, it was a much more narrow focus than I was expecting.
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Yeah.
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Do you think that you're starting to see like, I think that they have really maintained.
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And this is why I think the show is what it is.
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I still really believe that these people believe in this process and they think that it can work and they're not trying to get famous.
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Who's these people?
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The people who go on it?
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Yes.
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Oh, yeah.
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Well, okay, let's start getting into some cast operatives and like just talking about the people on the show.
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Because who do you think is the most likely to turn out to be looking for fame?
00:07:35
That's interesting.
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It's kind of, I guess I'm colored by the end of it.
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And now I would say Daniel just because of the cliffhanger at the end of whether or not he was following Taylor on Instagram before getting in the pods.
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That just seems like trying to play the game kind of BS.
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Is that trying to play the game now or so Taylor and Daniel Taylor seems like really lovely.
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Her main thing is that she loves Taco Bell.
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Daniel's main thing is that he's a short king and he said that many, many times many, many times.
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I have to say, they're kind of a throwaway couple until the end where she gets her phone back and they're supposed, I think they're going to Honduras, they said, which is like there must have been some massive like financial reason to go there and no shots at Honduras.
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It's just like not where they've gone, gone before.
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Right.
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It's a little random.
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Taylor realizes she's seen Daniel before because he followed her on Instagram a few weeks before going on the show.
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Right.
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Like she thinks she's not positive.
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She is like, is your picture of you sitting by a fire holding a beer at Christmas?
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It was super specific and also fitting because he is obsessed with Christmas.
00:08:51
Like they both kind of are, but Daniel is obsessed with Christmas.
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And he denies it, but he doesn't fully deny it.
00:09:00
Do you think he followed her on Instagram?
00:09:02
I guess I think he did.
00:09:03
I think he definitely did.
00:09:06
Otherwise, why would he be so guilty?
00:09:09
He seemed so like sort of caught off guard and didn't know what to say.
00:09:14
The only thing that made me question it was that he was pretty specific about what photos he does and doesn't have on his page.
00:09:25
And I guess that seems like a weird thing to lie about to me just because it's such obviously verifiable information.
00:09:31
Sure.
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You can't get far with that lie.
00:09:34
But he seemed like the way that he responded to that to me felt very much like he did it.
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So I sort of think that he did.
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I also think that someone who's really concerned about height would do that because he would look for like, I need to make sure that I don't end up with like across the screen from a woman who's six feet tall.
00:09:54
Oh, interesting.
00:09:55
So I had a really different take on this, which is that I think that he was like obsessed with Taylor, but like one on the show to meet her and like to like trick her into dating him.
00:10:04
And that's my theory.
00:10:05
Wow.
00:10:06
That's like crazy.
00:10:08
Well, people who go on reality TV, Danny shows are not normal.
00:10:12
It's like not a normal thing to do, but that's like such a high state like like what if she just doesn't like your vibe?
00:10:18
I mean, yes.
00:10:19
Like you can get a certain distance saying you love Taco Bell and that faith and family are important to you, which I'm pretty sure like half of the people on this show said some version of Taco Bell faith and family are like three things.
00:10:34
That are like a really generic to be passionate about.
00:10:37
But if you are passionate about them, like you take them really seriously.
00:10:40
Yeah.
00:10:41
So I think identifying, you know, the cruncher app Supreme church on Sunday and Christmas with your family is powerful.
00:10:49
And like you think you're connecting over those kinds of things.
00:10:52
So I think this is like in a library catfish essentially.
00:10:55
Wow.
00:10:56
I'm frankly like, I like Taylor.
00:10:59
Taylor seems a little bland.
00:11:01
I do think it's really funny that she said she cheated on her driving test.
00:11:04
Yeah, because she has the lazy eyes, so she doesn't close her eyes when she still do.
00:11:09
That really made me love.
00:11:10
I don't wish that on her.
00:11:12
That said, I do wish that on us.
00:11:14
Like that would be a great outcome for this story for me personally.
00:11:17
So I am rooting for that.
00:11:18
I do think that that would be like, that's a big gamble, right?
00:11:22
And so it's happened before though.
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There's precedent for it.
00:11:25
Lydia did that.
00:11:26
Yeah.
00:11:27
If you recall with.
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Yeah.
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Uchi.
00:11:30
My theory is he's freaked out about getting the height with a woman who's too tall.
00:11:33
He didn't really like, at least the way they added it is, like his whole thing is like short king, short king, short king.
00:11:40
I'm like, okay, we get it.
00:11:41
We got to be get it.
00:11:42
The term short king is not one that I'm fond of.
00:11:45
Yeah.
00:11:46
No, like neither.
00:11:47
It's just not.
00:11:48
It's just not for me.
00:11:49
Yeah, I.
00:11:50
I think he really planned this and like, I don't know, because why did he start following her?
00:11:55
That's so random.
00:11:56
It is really weird.
00:11:57
It is also just like, people like presumably she doesn't have thousands and thousands and thousands of followers.
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Like she's gonna see.
00:12:04
I'm pretty sure she didn't have this guy.
00:12:06
So just, you know, some how it's made, we watched these as screeners before they came out.
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So everyone couldn't have their, everyone didn't have their Instagram public yet.
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So I was like, checking to see, but I did find a list of everyone's handles before there was public.
00:12:21
So I went to check everyone's Instagram to see if they, who they were following and what not.
00:12:27
And she was private.
00:12:28
So like, she didn't have a ton of followers.
00:12:29
None of these people, most of our private actually, Madison, of course, once again.
00:12:33
She was public, of course, well, she's an artist, I guess that makes sense.
00:12:38
As was the cinematographer, Mason, much more on them to come, but anyway, Taylor's not like some Instagram influencer that like tons of people are following.
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She's like just a person.
00:12:49
She's a private person where she was until this.
00:12:52
Right.
00:12:53
So it's pretty like, presumably she would clock an additional follower who's like a random guy.
00:12:58
And then she said that the person who followed her, they had some mutuals.
00:13:01
So like, you would look into that a little bit.
00:13:03
And I do believe the thing about like remembering, or no, he said that.
00:13:08
He said something about like remembering everybody's Instagram handle or something.
00:13:11
Like having a memory for that, which is an interesting, I don't quite know which way to read that.
00:13:17
I think that's the end of telling us that he is, he is Instagram's doctor.
00:13:22
I, because in the very beginning of the show, and they're showing the trailer for the whole season, you hear someone saying, I believe he knew what I looked like and like, he stole his experience from me.
00:13:33
And as soon as the Instagram thing came up, while they were still in the pods, I was like, oh, he's the one who did that.
00:13:38
Like I clocked it like, Juliette, this is why you're a pro.
00:13:42
Well, I think I was just like looking for scandal.
00:13:45
I was like, yeah.
00:13:46
And it also, I do find that kind of interesting, like who's trying to gain the system of love is blind.
00:13:51
It's funny because I thought they were the most bland couple, but also maybe before that happened because I had not been as a student as you were and taken something from that moment, I thought they were,
00:14:02
they were like, I was like, I think that could work.
00:14:04
I can see that.
00:14:05
They're both just like, they want to go to Taco Bell and celebrate Christmas.
00:14:09
I think she seems too nervous and tentative.
00:14:11
Maybe I'm only seeing that like in retrospect, because that's how she ends the batch of episodes, but she seemed like very, like hesitant, I think.
00:14:20
I feel like she's been wounded.
00:14:22
I feel like she's had some bad, some real demons in her dating relationships.
00:14:27
I think that's fair, but he was sort of like that too.
00:14:30
It was less about relationships and just like, not being short at all.
00:14:34
All of these guys have like a, I had a hard childhood kind of story, like some of them, it's real and some of them, it's like really not real.
00:14:43
So that was like I just wasn't that good at school, like I didn't try hard.
00:14:48
A lot of them are bad at school and they're like, yeah, I just like, I failed out of elementary school.
00:14:54
That's not great.
00:14:55
I can't say I found this like the most enticing batch of, batch of boys.
00:15:00
I found the most enticing man to be Mason, the cinematographer, who I think is like probably a creep, but I was like, this is, this is the one that I would fall for on like a dating app or at a bar.
00:15:12
And so I was kind of surprised.
00:15:13
He didn't end up in a relationship at all because I just found him to be the only one who was like in a vacuum appealing.
00:15:21
Nobody else was appealing to me.
00:15:23
Yeah.
00:15:24
And this is probably illustrative of what the crop was like.
00:15:30
I think the one that I would have liked the most within the show, not in a bar.
00:15:37
Joey.
00:15:38
I knew you were going to say that.
00:15:39
I knew that because he is the sweetest, right?
00:15:41
He seems the most genuine.
00:15:42
He's fun and man.
00:15:43
Yeah.
00:15:44
He's like just being himself.
00:15:45
He's also like really into his family, the way he talked about his sister was super sweet.
00:15:51
Like he's also, I feel like Midwestern nice on the surface.
00:15:55
We'll find out if he actually is, but he has the accent.
00:15:58
He likes to laugh.
00:15:59
He's kind of goofy.
00:16:01
And for a goofy guy, he had a shit together totally, homeschooling is an issue for me.
00:16:06
So that would be a red flag, yeah, but yeah, a lot of football chalk on this season.
00:16:12
He basically like assimilated to school life via football, which I think is like pretty normal.
00:16:18
Yeah.
00:16:19
And like a reasonable way to do that.
00:16:20
Like mentally.
00:16:21
I don't know.
00:16:22
That's how they bond, I guess.
00:16:23
A lot of love for Brad Farf, which is funny because in Minnesota, the Vikings and the Packers are rivals, but our colleague Megan Schuster is another Minnesota who also roots for the Packers.
00:16:35
Like there is like, I guess a subset of Minnesotans who just root for the Packers and there are also a reason the rivalry is so heated is because they, you know, they live amongst each other.
00:16:47
I don't really get it.
00:16:48
So from Minnesota and you're rooting for the Packers, like I had like, I don't know, although I will say as a kid in New York, I would root for the heat because I found Nick's fans annoying.
00:16:56
So I was like, yeah, PJ Brown flipped Charlie Ward upside down.
00:17:02
So whatever.
00:17:03
Let's move on from Taylor and Daniel, because they're actually pretty boring.
00:17:07
I was in this thing at the end, which is like a real, a real rich.
00:17:10
Can we, can we do one more thing with them, though, which is how funny it was when she completely lost her voice for two episodes, and just want to do it on it more.
00:17:21
We're not for losing her voice, maybe because it was, I mean, that was not a mild sore throat.
00:17:27
That was really croaking through every sentence.
00:17:30
And I did feel really bad for her because you're in this context where all that you have is what you sound like and she sounded so bad.
00:17:38
I know.
00:17:39
You know, she really could barely speak and like it was kind of, I didn't like listening to her.
00:17:43
I didn't either.
00:17:44
It's like, look, Taylor, I'm sorry.
00:17:46
I hope this doesn't end your end your chances, but you did it, but that was a tough listen.
00:17:50
I know.
00:17:51
It really was.
00:17:52
So good luck to Taylor.
00:17:53
I'm pretty sure that this is the end for them.
00:17:55
They're not going to hinder us.
00:17:57
Let's talk more about Joey and Monica, who you mentioned.
00:18:00
They are the couple who like, there's no love triangle and neither was ever interested in anyone else.
00:18:05
Like it was just, just the two of them.
00:18:07
I feel like they have the best chance of actually making it because they both.
00:18:11
Absolutely.
00:18:12
It's like just like happy to be there.
00:18:15
I hope their physical chemistry was like pretty good when they finally met.
00:18:18
They both were like, this is going to sound mean, but they both were kind of like sloppy in a way.
00:18:25
Like with like there.
00:18:26
I know.
00:18:27
I know.
00:18:28
I think it's because like they're close.
00:18:29
They're both like you like, no, totally, they're just they're close and fit them well.
00:18:34
And I felt like the way they were like touching each other was just sort of like all over the place.
00:18:38
But I'm like, but that's probably a match if they're both like that.
00:18:41
So like, that sounds good.
00:18:42
He didn't know what finger to put the ring on.
00:18:44
He was like, why don't you pick and just like, no, they didn't cover that in his home schooling.
00:18:50
Yeah.
00:18:51
Which is your wedding ring or your ring finger.
00:18:55
He also just seems to like be so happy to like just be doing this.
00:18:59
He's the most into it.
00:19:00
Yeah.
00:19:01
And he and they both seem really genuine.
00:19:03
They both picked each other.
00:19:05
The earliest like they were, they, I really, I like believe in them.
00:19:09
I'm like so bad in on them.
00:19:11
Also friends.
00:19:12
Hold on.
00:19:13
Joey Monica.
00:19:14
Mentally.
00:19:15
I know.
00:19:16
Do you think they talked about that?
00:19:17
Yes.
00:19:18
Because they played.
00:19:20
What they didn't play the friends theme.
00:19:22
I mean, obviously that's production.
00:19:24
Yeah, they played.
00:19:25
They played something where the lyrics were all be there for you.
00:19:30
And I think I noticed it because I had subtitles on.
00:19:32
But I was just like, there's probably there's no way this wouldn't come up.
00:19:35
I'm sure they talked about it.
00:19:37
I saw a staff that may have been fake that like 80% of people watch TV as subtitles now.
00:19:42
Even if it's.
00:19:43
I go back and forth.
00:19:44
I can distract by them.
00:19:45
I watched them a lot, but then a lot, but like I don't think it's a good practice.
00:19:48
So.
00:19:49
Yeah.
00:19:50
I mostly agree with that.
00:19:51
I often turn them on.
00:19:54
If I'm watching something with people because.
00:19:57
If people start talking, I do get really annoyed if I don't know what's going on.
00:20:02
And of course this particular like we have friends over to watch the traders.
00:20:07
And I have subtitles because people will start talking and I will become very angry.
00:20:11
That's a joke.
00:20:12
I don't actually become angry.
00:20:13
But I do need the subtitles.
00:20:14
But traders are serious.
00:20:15
It's serious.
00:20:16
It's a great.
00:20:17
But I go back to show.
00:20:18
Well, we got to love his blind person on the traders.
00:20:21
That would be great.
00:20:22
It's on Jimmy.
00:20:23
Anyway, they probably to talk about it.
00:20:26
I think you're right.
00:20:27
One thing that I found interesting about him was that he was talking about how this is the only time he's had long hair.
00:20:31
And he's trying to grow it long so he can donate his hair.
00:20:34
I can't imagine he was a short-haired guy.
00:20:36
I feel like the long hair is really playing into the persona that we've gotten on the show.
00:20:41
And that like really threw me for a loop.
00:20:43
It really threw me for a loop in the way that he described how he used to do his hair.
00:20:48
I could not follow.
00:20:50
And it sounded crazy to me.
00:20:53
He was like, I sweep it over to one side.
00:20:57
And then slick it down with the gel.
00:21:00
And it would like it sounded so.
00:21:03
I think he should keep his hair like this.
00:21:05
I'm rooting for Joey.
00:21:06
Thank you.
00:21:07
Don't cut your hair.
00:21:08
Yeah, no, it really like seemed to suit him.
00:21:11
But I guess because this is all I've ever seen him.
00:21:14
Sure.
00:21:15
Yeah, I know same same.
00:21:16
I'm like, well, this is his hair.
00:21:17
But like, yeah, it's just because this is how we're meeting him.
00:21:19
He reminded me of someone who would have gone to Northwestern.
00:21:21
I think he felt he felt the most familiar to me.
00:21:24
I was like, he, I would have seen him around campus and whatever earlier.
00:21:28
He just felt like a very familiar type.
00:21:30
And he's a nice guy.
00:21:32
Yeah.
00:21:33
I think he probably is the most appealing in the pods.
00:21:35
Like I think me being into Mason is a indicative of some of my toxic traits.
00:21:39
But I do think Joey is like the actual best pick.
00:21:43
And like, I'm happy for Monica.
00:21:44
She got like a good guy.
00:21:46
I will say I do think that this is just a PSA to the men out there.
00:21:52
I think we need to retire the phrase golden retriever energy.
00:21:56
That is becoming a huge pet peeve for me.
00:21:58
And he wasn't a user of that.
00:22:00
Did he say that a lot about himself?
00:22:02
He said it about himself once.
00:22:03
Or maybe she said it about him.
00:22:05
But it came up with regard to him.
00:22:07
And that's something that I do think needs to be retired.
00:22:10
Interesting.
00:22:11
And hold it against him.
00:22:12
Not a phrase.
00:22:13
I'm crazy about either.
00:22:14
And also like, what does it really mean?
00:22:15
Like, they just like, like, they're like, serve you.
00:22:18
Yeah, like dumb and happy.
00:22:19
I love dogs.
00:22:20
But like, still.
00:22:21
I don't get it anyway.
00:22:24
Okay.
00:22:25
I can't tell you many facts about her.
00:22:27
Like, not a lot about her landed for me.
00:22:30
Yeah, not trying to impact on you.
00:22:32
No, now I'm trying.
00:22:33
I'm trying to go like, name a fact about Monica.
00:22:36
I know it's kind of hard.
00:22:37
But again, I think it's because they were sort of boring.
00:22:39
So you're just like, okay.
00:22:40
Sure.
00:22:41
Like, just go for it guys.
00:22:42
And they didn't get that much time.
00:22:44
They just were clearly like, going to match.
00:22:46
And so like, that was it.
00:22:47
They most of the show was spent on a couple of the different triangles, which we can get into.
00:22:51
There were three major ones, I would say.
00:22:53
Yes.
00:22:54
There was Molly, David and Lauren.
00:22:57
And David has been like, pick for probably worst guy on the show.
00:23:01
Yeah.
00:23:02
It's like, he's like an all-time reality TV asshole, I would say.
00:23:06
Yeah.
00:23:07
He's also just a loser.
00:23:08
Like, this guy is like, dumb.
00:23:10
My number one takeaway of this entire six episodes.
00:23:18
Like, if there was one thing that left a impression on me.
00:23:21
It is that I am sure that man is addicted to pornography.
00:23:24
Oh my god.
00:23:25
I completely agree with you.
00:23:27
It was him and Molly who like, talked about sex law, right?
00:23:29
Like, if they like, want to be dominated or not.
00:23:31
And like, like, how do you talk about the most with Molly?
00:23:33
And that, yes, where, um, where he was like, he was like, do you want the man to like, to troll?
00:23:40
That's good for you.
00:23:42
But he also talked about it with Lauren.
00:23:45
He was just like, he like wanted, he just was so, like, panty.
00:23:50
He was turning, love was blinded to phone sex, basically.
00:23:53
Yeah.
00:23:54
He talked about, he kept saying, besides opening with so many of the women by saying, so what's wrong with you?
00:23:59
He also told multiple of them that he had an only fans.
00:24:02
And then also talked about how his career in plastic surgery device sales or whatever gives him unrealistic expectations for what women are, quotes supposed to look like.
00:24:14
Has there ever been a winner flag?
00:24:15
That's actually way worse than the porn, like any like suspected pornography addiction.
00:24:19
Being like, I, I think women should look a certain way because I work in plastic surgery sales, not even a plastic surgeon.
00:24:25
Right.
00:24:26
It is.
00:24:27
He also like, here are some other, every single red flag you can come up with.
00:24:32
He could not demonstrate that this is a person who's had like a lot of success or ambition in any area of his life.
00:24:39
However, his one stated goal was that he just didn't want to have to work for anybody.
00:24:43
He wanted to have to work for himself.
00:24:44
Clearly, like, can't deal with authority.
00:24:46
Can't deal with other people.
00:24:48
This is niche.
00:24:49
But he said, my mom and dad aren't together.
00:24:53
And what he meant by that is that his mom died.
00:24:56
That was so weird.
00:24:57
That was so weird.
00:24:58
That was such a weird thing to do.
00:24:59
And then he was like, yeah, and I wouldn't.
00:25:01
And then when he said that he wouldn't go back to his childhood home before his dad sold it.
00:25:05
Now he regrets it.
00:25:06
And just like, do you have any like any feelings?
00:25:10
That was really weird.
00:25:12
And yet he's obsessed with his sister.
00:25:14
And like, what is sister?
00:25:15
Yeah.
00:25:16
Not in the way that like Joey is trying to like honor his sister.
00:25:19
But like, he's so worried about his sister's opinion and how she.
00:25:22
Like what she's going to say about all this.
00:25:24
I did on some level by.
00:25:29
That at least in his own mind, he believes that he's on a journey of self-betterment.
00:25:36
And that he's trying to be a better person and a less shallow person.
00:25:43
I just something that that's for any of these ladies to have to deal with.
00:25:47
Especially that's most sweet as Lauren.
00:25:48
We'll come back to her in a second.
00:25:49
But you didn't talk, you didn't mention my top quote from David, which is when he said he's really good at reading, but bad comprehension.
00:25:58
Oh my god.
00:25:59
No, I wrote down you can't read.
00:26:01
If you can't comprehend, you can't read.
00:26:03
Like, I'm so sorry.
00:26:04
I know you may be technically literate, but you cannot read.
00:26:07
That was sort of my take as well.
00:26:09
That was an insane thing to say.
00:26:11
And he said it so confidently.
00:26:13
Like, it was normal.
00:26:14
Like, that was crazy.
00:26:16
Crazy.
00:26:17
Like, okay, I believe that you like can read a stop sign and you'll stop your car.
00:26:22
He's literate.
00:26:24
But it even is he like.
00:26:27
She's a teacher.
00:26:28
He is.
00:26:29
I think he's a monster.
00:26:30
Like, I honestly, I honestly do.
00:26:32
And it's not because he's addicted to pornography or at least his specs.
00:26:35
He's addicted to pornography.
00:26:36
But he like.
00:26:37
I don't think he likes women.
00:26:39
Like, I don't think he respects them really.
00:26:41
I don't think he really is like looking for a partner.
00:26:43
He's definitely like looking for sex.
00:26:45
I believe he's shown in the trailer saying like, we haven't even had sex yet.
00:26:50
So sex for him, I guess.
00:26:52
But if I were Lauren, I also would not want to have sex with him because he seems like a monster and beef.
00:26:57
You're obsessed with it.
00:26:58
I'm like, not going to just like have sex with you right away.
00:27:00
Like.
00:27:01
I couldn't believe she was into him.
00:27:04
She seems so sweet.
00:27:06
Like Lauren is my pick for like most likeable person on the show.
00:27:10
Like totally.
00:27:11
Like the most normal and most like actually ready to get married and have a family.
00:27:17
And he seems absolutely not that totally.
00:27:21
And like Molly seems like really fun.
00:27:25
Like he probably should have picked Molly, honestly.
00:27:27
Just like for a quick burn of a relationship.
00:27:30
But she didn't really have like a lot of substance.
00:27:33
But he's like.
00:27:34
At least that we saw.
00:27:35
Maybe she doesn't realize it was nice that Lauren and Molly like liked each other.
00:27:38
I think you're right.
00:27:39
Like he's just looking looking for sex.
00:27:41
So they would have connected on that level.
00:27:43
Right.
00:27:44
But she was looking.
00:27:45
Like I.
00:27:46
That was the other thing that bothered me is I feel like.
00:27:49
He was responding to things that were true about both of those women.
00:27:52
But like very clearly to him.
00:27:54
It was like.
00:27:56
I can go with Molly.
00:27:58
And then we'll just have a bunch of sex.
00:28:01
And I won't take this seriously.
00:28:03
Or am I supposed to pick Lauren because he's like.
00:28:11
She'll be a wife and a mother and she'll keep a household.
00:28:13
And it's like, OK, you're reducing both of these women to like really dumb stereotypes.
00:28:17
And I just like I can't I can't.
00:28:19
And he.
00:28:20
The other thing that drove me up the wall.
00:28:23
Is when they started confronting him about.
00:28:27
What he'd said to both of them.
00:28:29
He was like the girl drama.
00:28:33
I just don't want to be involved in the girl drama.
00:28:35
And I do think that the one time I like screamed at my screen was like you did this.
00:28:40
Yeah.
00:28:41
You created this.
00:28:42
You are the drama.
00:28:44
Literally.
00:28:45
Like there's no there's no one else who could have brought this on.
00:28:49
It's like completely based on on what he what he said.
00:28:52
Yeah.
00:28:53
He was an absolute monster.
00:28:54
He also just seemed like mean to me.
00:28:56
He seemed like the thing where he would.
00:28:59
I would say that this was a thing that happened in college, but I feel like it's even.
00:29:03
It has to be high school like we were more mature than that.
00:29:07
Where he would start by saying what's wrong with you.
00:29:10
Yeah.
00:29:11
Like that whole idea of if you insult women, they're going to like like that's that's just it.
00:29:15
That's just immediately.
00:29:16
That's kindergarten.
00:29:17
That's not even.
00:29:18
It is a valid.
00:29:19
I'm actually like I'm I just.
00:29:23
I don't wish this man happiness.
00:29:25
I do not either David Bettenberg.
00:29:27
I looked him up.
00:29:28
He does work in device sales and it seems like he has like no emotions or like he's slowly getting to that to like discover them.
00:29:36
I feel like he ended up going with Lauren as a as a sort of extension of how he's working through his mom's passing.
00:29:43
It seems like that is the one thing in his life that has really affected him.
00:29:47
And maybe like and I do think that like Lauren has a real.
00:29:50
Nurturing quality to her that's like could maybe be mistaken for like being maternalistic.
00:29:55
Maybe she has maternal.
00:29:56
I don't know.
00:29:57
But there's like some very warm and nurturing about her and I feel like that's why he picked her.
00:30:00
He could only like the only compliments he could give were.
00:30:07
Sweet or cute.
00:30:09
Yeah.
00:30:10
I know.
00:30:11
I think he thinks that who he should pick their meeting was so awkward.
00:30:15
I mean, they're not attracted to each other at all and neither could like say anything.
00:30:20
He was not particularly nice to her.
00:30:22
That is just not going to go well.
00:30:24
Like and I want more for her.
00:30:26
I really do.
00:30:27
His pants were also way too short.
00:30:29
Yeah, he was one of the only ones not wearing socks this time.
00:30:33
And his eyes were just like out and about.
00:30:35
And then there were because they didn't have any physical chemistry.
00:30:38
He was just like clutching her knee.
00:30:40
I know.
00:30:41
She seemed really uncomfortable.
00:30:44
She seemed like just very like, oh, this is, this is not right.
00:30:47
So not great.
00:30:48
That's the mnemonic on Joey.
00:30:49
They like.
00:30:50
They also seemed to like actually have chemistry.
00:30:52
So I believe that they're like kind of the only couple that was like, oh.
00:30:55
They're like excited to like be physical with each other.
00:30:58
They were the only ones where it seemed natural once they were actually like touching each other.
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Okay, we got to get into the Madison of it.
00:32:37
I'll put it off for a long time.
00:32:39
Madison was involved in like both a triangle, but then also a relationship.
00:32:45
She contains multitudes.
00:32:47
I'd like to begin by talking about the triangle between Madison, Mason, and Meg.
00:32:53
Meg is one of the most striking people I've come across on reality TV in a long time.
00:32:58
I was wondering if this is like generational because I was like, wow, this explains a lot about Gen Z.
00:33:03
But I don't know Nora.
00:33:04
What was your take on Meg and like what Meg moment stuck out to you the most?
00:33:08
I'm very curious.
00:33:09
So it the aliens absolutely the aliens.
00:33:12
And I will say I really.
00:33:15
I was surprised when I got into the later episodes because once she and Mason connected on their belief that aliens are real and have been among us.
00:33:23
I was like, these two are gonna like this is.
00:33:28
I think alien people.
00:33:29
Yeah.
00:33:30
Like I think alien people can't really be with non alien people.
00:33:33
I think if you're just like into that stuff, you have to find someone who is going to back you up on that.
00:33:38
And I believe we're just find each other.
00:33:41
Yeah.
00:33:42
So I really was like, I don't know that I'm rooting for this, but I do believe that these two should end up together.
00:33:47
So I ended up surprised by that.
00:33:49
But yeah, no, it was definitely the aliens.
00:33:53
For me, it was her extended recap of a Joe Rogan episode, which tied into the aliens.
00:33:58
Yeah.
00:33:59
But she started with Joe Rogan and I was like, oh, okay.
00:34:02
So that's where she's getting a lot of her information.
00:34:04
And that I was like, that tells me a lot.
00:34:07
And also like she mentioned podcasts frequently.
00:34:10
And I was like, so Meg is a go home.
00:34:12
Fire of the TV.
00:34:14
Open up the YouTube app.
00:34:16
So I just pop on a Joe Rogan and then like, who knows where you go from there?
00:34:20
Like I actually like, I would believe that she then listens to like Lady gang or she goes straight to the obon.
00:34:26
Like I have no idea with Meg because she's like, could really go in either direction.
00:34:30
I think it's more likely that she's like starting with Joe Rogan and then going to like, like I said, like a Lady gang or like a, I don't know, a deer media type of podcast.
00:34:39
I was like, I can see her being very on the sort of like, the entry point is the wellness stuff, as it is for so many women and then all of a sudden.
00:34:47
All of a sudden you're learning about aliens and, you know, area 51.
00:34:51
And, you know, Joe Rogan is asking questions.
00:34:54
So I was kind of stunned by that maybe because I'm a podcast professional.
00:34:59
But that really stuck out to me and I was like, wow.
00:35:02
Joe Rogan is so popular that he has now mentioned on one of Netflix's most popular shows across the world.
00:35:11
And I was like, oh, this is, this is what it's like for Gen Z to be like fully in sconce on these dating shows.
00:35:17
And I then I felt old because I was just like, I guess even though I'm a podcasting professional and people talk about podcasts and stuff.
00:35:24
I went and just like, oh, she had a better name.
00:35:26
Like, can I be like movie movies?
00:35:29
That sounds nicer than podcasts.
00:35:30
Could we just.
00:35:33
Can we petition to just switch for a while?
00:35:36
Be good for the brand.
00:35:37
But beg was just so passionate about like so many things that are very online, but not in terms of that like like I'm a very online person.
00:35:47
But more just like my phone and my apps are so intrinsic to my day to day.
00:35:54
Like that I've become child of the internet without even knowing it.
00:35:58
Like she's not like she's not like us.
00:36:00
She's not like, you know, keeping up with all of like the moves of someone you're invested in.
00:36:04
Like for me right now it would be like, I don't even know.
00:36:07
That's interesting because I feel like the experience of going on a date with someone and you know I'm thinking about this from the perspective of going on a date with a guy.
00:36:19
And having them talk about the podcast that they like is like pretty old tat or something that I have definitely experienced a few times.
00:36:29
Of course, so I don't know that it didn't feel generational to me, but I guess that makes sense.
00:36:34
And I don't think so.
00:36:38
Well, they have to me.
00:36:41
Men love Chris Ryan, but you all are Chris Ryan anyway, I do think someone's definitely brought up Mallory to me on a date before.
00:36:48
Well, she's also a true gem.
00:36:50
Well, they both they deserve it.
00:36:52
Good taste from the people we're going on dates with, but there was something so specific to the Joe Rogan of it though, like it's not just like I really am into like the rest is politics or whatever,
00:37:03
you know, it's like very specific to like.
00:37:06
I followed this train of thought that Joe Rogan put forward and I was like, OK, this is representative America.
00:37:12
I'm glad that she's on the show.
00:37:13
Like Meg, I think she's a nice person, very very enthusiastic.
00:37:18
Also, she's a flight attendant, I believe, and flight attendants are endlessly fascinating to me because they just have such a good unique lifestyle.
00:37:26
And she clearly loves to travel.
00:37:29
She's very bright like she brought a lot of brightness to the show.
00:37:32
Yeah, even when she was pissed, she was cherry.
00:37:34
Yeah, she was just like also, she really stood up for herself, like she was like confident, she knows herself, she's like.
00:37:41
I liked her on the other side of the triangle is Madison and Madison is like the Meredith Gray.
00:37:47
She's the dark and twisty of this season.
00:37:49
Madison has a really troubled relationship with her mom.
00:37:52
She doesn't just her dad, does he die or she's not a relationship with him.
00:37:56
No, I think she's a really distant dude at one point, what she said about her father, her mom was an addict and she had to like really raise herself and then raise her siblings.
00:38:07
She had a brother who passed away.
00:38:09
She and Mason are two packers fans.
00:38:12
They connected over that.
00:38:13
She's an artist.
00:38:15
I don't know how to describe her other than dark and twisty, which I think applies more to Madison than it does to Meredith Gray.
00:38:20
Did you have you ever watched the dark and twisty era of Grey's Anatomy?
00:38:24
Of course, of course, just checking many, many times, really, many times through.
00:38:29
Yeah, Madison, I mean, she obviously had a very difficult upbringing.
00:38:34
And at one point, she described disassociation as like a coping mechanism for when she goes to a bad place and sort of relives childhood trauma.
00:38:47
I am not an expert in anything that I would need to be an expert in to opine on what that actually means for her in her day to day life.
00:38:58
I would just say that her emotional spectrum seemed to go from like A to B the entire time she was on the show and I found it borderline frightening.
00:39:11
She's a type of person who really should not be on reality TV.
00:39:14
She has too much legitimate trauma that cannot be remotely solved or like eased by being on a show like this.
00:39:24
Because the biggest shock to me of this batch is that neither Mason nor Madison nor Alex ended up in a relationship.
00:39:32
We spent so much time with those three people.
00:39:33
And now they're all going to be off the show like they're like we're done.
00:39:37
They got six episodes and out.
00:39:39
Maybe that's why.
00:39:40
But that's kind of like a bad sign.
00:39:41
I was really surprised that she didn't end up with one of those guys.
00:39:45
I really, really thought she was going to.
00:39:47
I thought she was going to end up with Alex.
00:39:49
We'll come back to him in a second.
00:39:50
But I think that her and Mason like what have like had been like interesting to watch.
00:39:55
I'm not sure that's a match because I don't know that she's like ready for a match at all.
00:39:58
But like he's not a porn addict like David, but he is definitely like very open to head turning love is blinded to phone sex as well.
00:40:09
When they were talking about twerking, he was like salivating without even like having a visual who's just like thinking about a woman's behind and he was like ready to go.
00:40:20
Yeah.
00:40:21
He also did it one point.
00:40:22
I think it was then or it would have been another time when they were talking about sex.
00:40:27
He pulled some piece of furniture in the pod toward his crotch in a way where I was like, Oh, this man has an erection and watching me visible camera.
00:40:40
Gross, gross, gross, gross.
00:40:43
I think the fact that he's a cinematographer like really covered a lot for me.
00:40:47
I was like, that's cool.
00:40:48
That's interesting.
00:40:49
I would like to talk to him about that.
00:40:51
Yeah, I went on Instagram and I'm like, yeah, he's got some skateboard videos here as he said and like he has traveled a bunch and like that's like legit.
00:40:58
I didn't notice you wore a lot of Nike golf sneakers, which is an egg for me.
00:41:02
I totally respect wearing them on the golf course, but like to love his blind.
00:41:06
Not so sure about that.
00:41:08
I'm not experiencing that in my day to day life.
00:41:11
So I can't say that it's an egg for me or it was an established egg, but I definitely don't support that.
00:41:16
I wasn't aware of it before watching this show, but I was just like, why is he wearing?
00:41:21
I feel a bit tennis sneakers too.
00:41:23
Like tennis sneakers and golf sneakers are for the sport.
00:41:26
They're not for casual wear.
00:41:27
But what do you, because people mean so many different things when they say tennis sneakers.
00:41:30
I mean, sneakers that you wear to play the sport of tennis that have.
00:41:34
Flat soles can be accommodated on the clay court.
00:41:38
The you can wear to Wimbledon.
00:41:41
Not like not like the the you submit that like the at or idiom of tennis.
00:41:45
My mom will say tennis shoes and she means she means sneakers anything with laces, basically right or like anything like a rubber bottom.
00:41:51
Yeah, I mean actual like Nike tennis like serenow Williams.
00:41:56
And that's yeah, so like the golf and tennis sneakers look a little bit different.
00:42:01
I like them, but they're again, they're not for love is blind.
00:42:03
They're not like street street shoes excuse me.
00:42:07
I also thought Madison was going to pick Mason for a long time.
00:42:10
I was surprised when she pivoted toward Alex.
00:42:12
It's like kind of given her a hard time about some stuff and she needed to prove that she was like worthy them.
00:42:19
Yeah, I was surprised that she.
00:42:22
I thought she was going to be more into Mason, but I was surprised how into her.
00:42:28
He was and maybe it was just because of my alien theory, but I really thought that he was going to.
00:42:34
I thought he was going to go for me.
00:42:35
I thought he was going to be more excited about me consistently and I was surprised when it seemed to be going in Madison's direction for him.
00:42:43
I thought what Mason, he seemed like me goes too much for him, like some of her theories and some of her talking and like her fusediveness.
00:42:50
I think what we saw as bubbly, he saw as too much because like you could see on his face, he would kind of be like, okay, sure.
00:42:57
And he would, did I hit the eject button from some of their conversations, but then he would like jump up and down and yell about Christopher Nolan.
00:43:07
He should totally listen to ringer podcasts.
00:43:09
Yeah, like I do kind of think those two might want to give it a go.
00:43:15
She's like, find each other outside of the pods.
00:43:17
Yeah, I just sort of think it could work.
00:43:20
I got how Meg might come off as more charming.
00:43:23
If you can like see her and experience all that Meg is versus just here because she has a kind of funny voice and she speaks for cadences are so sort of goofy almost that I wonder if you're right that he didn't take her as seriously because it just all comes off as a lot.
00:43:43
And she goes like she talks uninterrupted for a while, too, also like honestly, I just think he was more attracted to Madison because like we maybe he and Meg talked about sex like he and Madison had a way more like sexual banter and like she like I feel like she also like used a more.
00:43:59
Like, sultry voice with him than she did with Alex where I feel like Alex she was trying to be cuter with the barely in in the and her her build to bear whatever.
00:44:09
And I feel like with Alex she was trying to be like cute and with Mason she was trying to be hot.
00:44:13
That makes sense.
00:44:15
And Meg didn't really she she she turned it on a little bit early because she was talking about her like sexy flight attendant points.
00:44:22
But then it was she didn't keep going going down that road maybe she should have I think that's what Mason was going for seriously.
00:44:30
He didn't seem really sad at the end of Madison broke up with him like really sad I think he just wanted to be in a relationship.
00:44:35
Yeah, but I do think he never seemed like a bad guy to me generally at least relative to like the day of bro.
00:44:42
He's just a bro.
00:44:44
I did think that if you that by the end of it when they were confronting him, he did lie to both of them like by the end of it when he was talking about what he said I did think that he lied very casually.
00:44:59
Yeah, without it seeming like I was like raising his heart rate whatsoever and I was a little bit like hmm.
00:45:05
Yeah, you have to be sure when you tell someone that you're into them and if you're not it's a huge mistake huge mistake but the funny thing is Madison saying that pushed her away like she was not more into it she was just like no thanks.
00:45:22
But was that only once she thought it was insincere.
00:45:29
She went back with the other women she was excited about it but then it was Meg's reaction once she came back from her date and she wasn't like heartbroken I think that's when she got mad.
00:45:43
But Madison can really flip a switch and like I someone out she really can well.
00:45:50
Her and Alex like I feel like their relationship was like she really wanted his approval essentially and like that's why she got really into him and he was withholding man I mean he was tough on her really questioning her and like I was surprised by that honestly.
00:46:06
But I kind of respected it because you like it wasn't over anything trivial he was like okay you're you're saying to me that you haven't avoid an attachment style and that would be really triggering for me for all these reasons with my past and I'm worried about that.
00:46:25
And I do think that that's like a very fair thing to say to someone Alex remind me so much Ben Platt I just couldn't see past it I was like yes I was like is this Evan Hansen in the pods like is this what it would be like.
00:46:39
If Evan Hansen went on love is blind or is his is yeah he plays Evan Hansen in the show I hate your Evan Hansen so I don't mean that's a compliment.
00:46:48
But I like Ben Platt I think he says like a funny guy his Vogue wedding spread was very charming since then I've been into him.
00:46:54
Anyway he was just like it reminded me of pitch perfect era Ben Platt it's like very hardcore no they the resemblance between those who was shocking it was like uncanny and his of course his trauma was that he was severely bullied when he was a kid.
00:47:10
It sounded pretty bad honestly I'm happy for him that he's gotten better but I think he's like very entitled his emotion because he had like process a lot to get through to the other side essentially.
00:47:21
Yeah I just can't believe that all four of these people Meg Madison Mason and Alex are off the show now like it's shocking to me we spent so much time with them.
00:47:31
I know Madison is the main character of love is blind so far in my opinion.
00:47:35
Yeah I think especially by the end right because I found again I found her a little bit chilling and I do wonder what would have happened if she had been less aggressive with Meg.
00:47:49
Because I'm not sure that Meg was ready to pull the plug on her own.
00:47:56
I've got to say Meg Meg was ready to commit to Mason but then I feel like her pride was like well I can't now that I have all this information.
00:48:03
Yeah sort of now that I have all this information and now that I've kind of been told by Madison that I am betraying myself as a woman and that I have no standards or self respect if I.
00:48:16
Yeah I can't do that TV by at least if that conversation.
00:48:20
Madison definitely seems like someone who you know she has the avoid avoidant attachment pattern like I'm not sure she has a lot of close girlfriends like I just don't know that's like been a part of her life.
00:48:31
And I don't mean that like she's not a girls girl I just like her her bad relationships with her family has probably made it really hard for her to have real friends.
00:48:39
And so in the pods like living of these people and whatnot like just must be such like a mind fuck one thing or sorry just side notice the him at the living quarters as they call them.
00:48:50
They use the same set every time it's like somewhere in like Southern California so when they start these shows like they always go to the same area.
00:48:57
Then they stay in a hotel I'm just like do they like leave other clothes around like just like at the living quarters and stuff.
00:49:03
I would love to understand the logistics of love is blind I have like no idea.
00:49:07
The final scene when Taylor was in the hotel.
00:49:16
Yeah or I think she's in the room because she was like in front of a bed right I did feel like I recognize I forget what like lower end Marriott chain brand it is but there's like a particular type of it's not a waffle but there's a particular type of bedding that's like kind of ribbed in a specific way.
00:49:35
And I really know that I've only experienced that on like kind of random football trips.
00:49:41
I was going to say like going to like the combine or like going to spring training or training camp.
00:49:46
Yeah so that was really evocative for me.
00:49:50
Well I'm not sure they're giving you a deluxe hotel while you're on love is blind but you know until unless it's going to be on camera but yeah Matt Madison like has a lot of demons that she needs to work out like a lot.
00:50:04
I'm curious to see how people respond to her and like where she goes from here because it seems I hope she's okay honestly I mean do you think like what do you think would have happened.
00:50:15
If she and Alex if in that conversation if he just like hadn't said that Mason's feelings were valid like if he just hadn't said that if he felt the same way but just hadn't made that comment.
00:50:29
I thought it was really interesting that he was defending him so hard by the way I was like I was like feelings in general or valid if someone feels something like you can't be like well you're wrong.
00:50:40
I mean I don't like my stance like you might like agree with it or have sympathy for it but like I'm and I'm very infrequently like a feelings in validator but anyway if he had not done that.
00:50:50
I think he had decided like he what like she wasn't for him and I think he was kind of testing her with that and like wanted to see how she would respond based on like how she responds to conflict or whatever.
00:51:00
And I think he had he had decided that like it wasn't going to work out so he was going to work.
00:51:05
On it so but I think if they had met she would not be attracted to him like I really don't think that in like a dating scenario Madison actually wants an Alex like I don't think also.
00:51:17
He is not like solicitous enough of her like she I think she needs someone who's like really going to like.
00:51:24
Allow her to have the feelings we saw her express and like say stupid super calm which he did but like sort of like let her like get it out and then like move forward together whereas I feel like he was like trying to provoke her so I just think that's not a match.
00:51:39
I could not be with someone like that me neither he was addicted her.
00:51:45
Even but like even if and that this clearly like I think she probably just isn't in the right place for a relationship like this whatsoever and that's fine like we all work on ourselves and she's obviously been through a lot.
00:51:59
The way that you could not.
00:52:01
Like if she was saying I feel so good about this I feel so good about you it's so nice to talk to you like the deadpan delivery would just freak me out I just couldn't deal with that.
00:52:11
Yeah a grade also he I would be really frustrated that like.
00:52:16
You're defending the feelings of someone who's not in this conversation and I'd be like okay you can feel that way but like.
00:52:22
What you're doing right now that's not that's not helpful to me and I would just I that would have been a rat for me with Alex I've been like fuck you I'm out here yeah yeah so tough stuff I wish them all the best all these people you know I hope they find love.
00:52:36
There's only one other couple we haven't talked about I think which is Virginia in Devon which was another love triangle that was between.
00:52:44
We talked about Sarah and Ben oh yes Sarah and Ben how could I forget about them Sarah.
00:52:50
Sarah was really interesting Sarah's storyline basically is that her sister is a lesbian her best friend and she was so impacted by the death of George Floyd and the Black Lives Matter movement that was really like.
00:53:02
Senator in Minnesota that she has to like address really directly with that and I presume the other guys like where do you stand on LGBT rights and like where do you stand on Black Lives Matter and I think she said she's a very conservative family yeah so it's like this has been like an awakening for her I think.
00:53:23
So I had to say made me really like her I was like this is a kind of earnestness like what Paul politically I'm aligned with her so like it's not like complicated for me but the earnestness that she saw that she expressed.
00:53:37
It's really rare in people like navigating their own personal politics she wasn't like self-righteous she was just like this is important to me and like I thought that was like pretty impressive honestly like I thought it was really genuine.
00:53:50
Same it also is smart like it yeah it continues to shock me in this format in so many reality formats where it's just like these are things that actually matter in life and these people never ask each other questions about like what their politics are how much do you go to church if you go to church is that important to you and she was asking the right questions and I really liked her I also thought even outside of that outside of believing that she's a good person who wants a better world and.
00:54:19
Loves her sister and loves people she just seemed cool she seems fun she seems nice yeah agreed I liked her Ben is a question who was the church and said he doesn't vote and I don't think he's really like I don't know that he's like anti black lives matter or anti LGBTQ rights but he's certainly not on the same way same wavelength.
00:54:47
She is in terms of like he just thinks he thinks this has nothing to do with him yeah exactly.
00:54:52
Totally are you surprised she's she went with him anyway yes and I have to say I thought otherwise they had good chemistry I actually they were the other ones besides Monica.
00:55:06
Who I thought had physical physical attraction yeah to each other like they kept kissing so on some level I think there were things that clearly worked I just think that he.
00:55:16
Is trying like he just thinks it doesn't matter like I don't think he's trying to manipulate her he just seems like he doesn't think that your politics or engagement with the world are important and therefore it's probably just not a big deal to him to be like oh yeah like no I want you to think that I support you and like that I would support your sister and yeah he like doubled back to make it clear he supported gay people.
00:55:44
But he couldn't even say like he couldn't say he could not say gay he could not say lesbian he could not say LGBTQ he was like I don't want you to think that I don't support.
00:55:54
That that community yeah that community like it was so I called that to it really it was hard to listen to it when you have to like that and like I think he said like you know I knew a couple people in college who were like that who were like that exactly and.
00:56:12
I don't think that's not like being closed-minded it's certainly not the open-mindedness and sort of active support that Sarah is looking for and so that seems doomed it's just also religions are really tough one if like one person.
00:56:28
It like really is like believes in something and like goes to church and the other doesn't it's like a major difference like how do you overcome that I don't know.
00:56:37
Especially because she was exposed to so much religion growing up like it's not like this has just never been a part of her life and maybe it never will be but she doesn't have strong feelings either way like she knows the drill and she has essentially opted out and he would ideally like his partner to opt in and I just don't think that will work.
00:57:00
And her family seems like they're going to be super anti so that's tough also I think she asked him like would you like go to like the pride parade and I think he said yes and I have a hard time believing that but maybe I'm wrong we'll see I don't really think you're wrong.
00:57:17
And now our final couple is Virginia and Devon Devon the basketball coach Virginia seems very lovely they were previously in a triangle easily resolved Brittany was the third she was just like now this isn't it Brittany and Devon are you watching the bachelor at the bachelor right now.
00:57:34
Grant the bachelor is like former basketball player and all the women who like mentioned basketball in first night he got rid of basically Devon's kind of the opposite where he's like does want to talk about basketball a lot like his coaching Devon seems really sweet seems like really passionate about students but I think that's really funny about the bachelor I kind of on some level I kind of get that like sometimes you just don't want to be around someone who does your thing.
00:58:02
Also there's two kinds of guys in my opinion one who wants to share their passion for sports with their partner and one who absolutely does not who's like leave me alone I'm watching sports this is not something we're sharing.
00:58:12
I think that's Grant I think Devon is the opposite he is like I'm a coach please come to all my games I hope you care about this and Brittany was like willing to go there with him for sure not Virginia wouldn't but that was just kind of like all they had.
00:58:24
And I think she saw it and so she called it she was just like now it's not me and he was not super jazzed about the fact that she is bisexual or has had experiences with women and it's not really that out in her future.
00:58:39
Yeah and then for another great reason she was just like yeah this is not a match so which is not I mean he's also 28 I know he's got a lot of learning to do.
00:58:51
And a lot of people actually were older it's a fairly older cast which I think that worked out better so he was the young one yeah but he he gives me golden retriever energy he was like a real puppy dog at the beginning just like very smiley like wanting to connect and.
00:59:08
He's not for me but Virginia seems sweet I bet they don't work out because he's too young well also she said she dropped in at the very end that her father thinks that she's on a spiritual retreat.
00:59:22
And can't wait for him to find out the truth and for us to see it yeah I'm excited for that one doesn't vote well I would say.
00:59:31
I like them I thought they were nice yeah they seem totally fine I feel like to we're kind of in a weird place because now going into Honduras I'm pretty positive that it's not going to work out Taylor and Daniel because I think he's doctor.
00:59:43
So we kind of only have four couples Monica and Joey Sarah and Ben Virginia Devon and David and Lauren like that's not that many yeah usually we have six going into the vacation so that's like a surprise.
00:59:56
And I don't have faith really in any of those couples Joey Monica is the only one that I faith in yeah I think that's right that's how I feel to otherwise good luck out there on the day you seem to miss out everybody.
01:00:09
I did like here's the last thing that I will say about Minnesota I loved when they showed snow which they only did like two times but we just we get so little of this type of content where it's in a cold climate and I love winter and I was.
01:00:25
Thrill to see just like probably CGI snowflakes no it's real they filmed it in the winter last year it's like almost a year ago they filmed this like I think it started in like February of 2024 so that was real the snow lingers in the upper Midwest for many months into into the year so I liked it too also the cold weather wedding day like seems like it's going to be like even more like disaster.
01:00:51
If you're not going to end up getting married and you're like a cold weather snowy wedding day really tough if you're in heels in your woman so.
01:00:59
I mean I can't wait to see that nor thank you so much for joining me you'll be back for episode 78 nine next week and Kelly and I are back on Monday for more bachelor and so much other reality TV.
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Thanks so much for listening and talk to you all soon.
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