On our latest podcast, our managing editor, Tina Perinotto, spoke with Dr Tyson Yunkaporta about his recent book, Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World. 

The Apalech clan member is a deep and wide thinker, an academic and poet who dabbles in traditional wood carving. He’s innovative, provocative, and pulls no punches when he’s talking about the impact of white settlers on this land and on Australia’s Indigenous People. 

As a senior research fellow at Deakin University, he has been responsible for establishing the Indigenous Knowledge Systems Lab – creating a space where Indigenous practitioners can come together and apply Indigenous thinking to different contexts around the world. 

“This economic system came from a 10,000 year old experiment of separating from the mother. They invented the word for nature in order to separate themselves: separate the human from nature – separate from the mother. Once you do that, you are then free to displace your matriarchs, you are then free to displace the centre of your community – which is the mother and the child – and all relationships in human communities.” 

Host: Tina Perinotto
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