How does a middle-aged woman who has never heard a Taylor Swift song become a die-hard fan? In this episode, Tania recounts her transformation from Taylor novice to Swiftie. Also, Dee and Tania discuss their inability to write fiction, getting caught off guard by emotions, fan girling, their relationships with music, limerence, connections to podcasters, and of course, Taylor Swift.

Info on adolescent brain development

ETA: Matt, who makes a cameo in this episode, has confirmed Dee's suspicions about brain development and music, and recommends this book on the topic: This Is Your Brain on Music

Spoilers for Taylor Swift’s discography, Holy Swift podcast, Mama Mia! Here We Go Again, and middle age.

Apologies for the poor sound quality — Tania is still getting to know her microphone.

Tags: Taylor Swift; Holy Swift; The Office; Buffy the Vampire Slayer; LA Writers Lab

Listen to the podcast episode where Tania and Lama Yeshe analyze Taylor Swift’s song “Karma.”

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