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00:00:00
(bell ringing)
00:00:03
- Hello, and welcome to this car pod.
00:00:07
- I'm Kenneth.
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- I'm Flipper.
00:00:08
- Let's get into with the news, starting with Gene Jennings.
00:00:12
Gene Jennings passed away a couple days ago.
00:00:15
Gene Jennings had enormous roles at auto magazines throughout the 1980s, '90s, and specifically at Automobile Magazine, where she was the editor-in-chief for many years.
00:00:26
And she was like a legend in the automotive journalism space.
00:00:28
And so everybody's kind of paying tribute to her.
00:00:30
I have a Gene Jennings story that I would like to share.
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Huh, Gene Jennings is responsible for a lot of the beginnings of my illustrious career.
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In 2009, I car-spotted.
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That was like my thing.
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- It was 2009 and 2024.
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- To this day.
00:00:48
But I sent a letter to Automobile Magazine in 2009, telling them, "Hey, I do this car-spotting thing.
00:00:55
Maybe this is something you want to write an article about."
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And I only sent it to Automobile because Gene Jennings had the foresight of making Automobile more of a lifestyle mag than like an instrumented test specific things magazine, which obviously now they're all going in that direction.
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And she called me.
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I was 21 and she called me.
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And I still remember, for some reason I was in New York City and she comes in Central Park and I was the winter and I got her call and she was like, "Yeah, this sounds fun and we'll send a writer and a photographer to cover it and we'll do an article about it."
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And I was like, "Oh my God, I'm going to be an automobile magazine.
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It's a cool thing in the world."
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I mean, that's the magazines are not as big of a deal now, but they really were.
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I mean, that was the, for like 21 year old getting, grew up reading every car magazine, a cool thing in the world.
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And I'm talking to Gene Jennings, right?
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So they did and I was featured in the July 2009 issue of Automobile Magazine for car-spotting.
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And in fact, it was the cover, it was one of the cover stories.
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- Wow.
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- And I have like 50 copies of it still.
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And there's pictures of me in the magazine and like, you know, driving around Atlanta, taking pictures of Lamborghini's.
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So that magazine was purchased by a guy who then later kind of became my mentor and started me off in car journalism.
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And I kind of can trace all that back to that article.
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Years later, I bumped into Gene Jennings in the Troid Auto Show.
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And I said to her, "Hey, I don't know if you remember me, but this was the, then I told her the story."
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And she didn't remember, it was years before, but she was like, "Oh, I'm so glad we did that."
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And that's so wonderful.
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She was very nice to me.
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Something that her twice, but she had a huge direct relationship on, you know, where I am today and the beginnings of my career.
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- It's such a cool butterfly effect story.
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That's really neat.
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- Right, right, it's like minor interactions, but like a pretty big actual...
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- Here we are.
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- Yeah, here we are.
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How cool!
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- Gene Jennings.
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- Thank you, Gene Jennings.
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- And they've been in a lot of ways for a lot of the people of our generation.
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She created the like car journalist role that I think we all, at some point growing up, wanted to be, we wanted to be that because of Gene Jennings.
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- And she was insane.
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And one of the cool, I mean, in a great way, because automobile magazine used to do these cool tests.
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I'll never forget when she did coast to coast in a Bugatti Veyron.
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That was the front cover of the magazine.
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Well, the coast turned out to be the east coast of Florida and the west coast.
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And she did it with Hurley Haywood, I think.
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If I remember, I can't, this is years ago, but they would do weird things like that.
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And as a result, you know, of the four magazines, run track car and drive motor train and then automobile, I always prefer automobile.
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I thought they just had the coolest content, the coolest like lifestyle, weird storytelling, kind of stuff.
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And they employed Ezra Dyer for a while, I was in the greatest writers.
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And I just thought it was the best.
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And she's hugely responsible for that.
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But personally also responsible for real success in my life, Gene Jennings.
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- Hello, that's what a great story.
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- It is, it's an interesting story.
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I think about it a lot.
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- Indeed.
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- Next news story today, queer GT.
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- Also something you think about that time.
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Think about it all the time.
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In fact, I sent my queer GT still at the, my dealership getting service and I sent them like this angry text like, get me the car back.
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And I think it came from 'cause I watched the lap time.
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- Yeah.
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- It's like I want to drive this thing.
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(laughing)
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I get a lap on my own to send.
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(laughing)
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- Courage GT lap time.
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So here's the deal.
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Porsche developed a new tire for the queer GT.
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We're getting the car, the queer GTs are all being recalled right now for suspension componentry and Porsche is putting on new tires because tires have kind of always been one of the stories of this car.
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This tires are aging out.
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The car is dangerous with the old tires.
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So they say, so Porsche is giving everybody new tires.
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Now, Porsche specifically developed a new tire for the queer GT, a new type of Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tire.
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And the car with the new tires went around Nürburgring and did 7,12,6900,000 s, million s, nobody knows or cares.
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The result of this, the car.
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Now, this is just a tire change.
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- Yep.
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- Sport auto did this test, just a German publication.
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They beat their previous time with the original tires, set back when the car was new by 20 seconds.
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- Wow.
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- These tires and, and this is the, in my opinion, the really important one, is faster than the factory 918 spider lap time around Nürburgring.
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How much faster is it than the factory queer GT lap time?
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- Porsche, I don't think did one.
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But all of the queer GT lap times were between 18 and 20 seconds slower than what the current 16, 20 seconds slower.
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So, just tires.
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Now, I have also upgraded my suspension and the general feeling in the queer GT community is that you have to upgrade your suspension.
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Everyone who drives the car has done it.
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And if they upgraded this suspension, I can't imagine how many more seconds it would pull off.
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You start to wonder if it would be around that seven minute mark, which is where some really serious cars are.
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But regardless, it's faster than 918 spider.
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Proving something we've all already known, it's better than 918 spider.
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- But this, this opens, in my opinion, the more interesting, I mean, it's a very interesting thing for you specifically, since you own one.
00:05:42
But I think it opens the door for more tests of older cars with modern rubber because tire technology has changed a lot since, I mean, even in the last 20 years.
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So.
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- I agree.
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- I am curious, I would argue that because this car had the specially developed, nobody, there is modern rubbers available for old cars.
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But you should develop this tire and is now mandating that people put the tire on the car.
00:06:07
I would argue two things.
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Number one, this is the how fast the car is around Nürburgring because that's the factory tire and the factoring it to every owner.
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And number two, okay, I'll see what a Ferrari F50 does on a modern rubber.
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But that's not a, we can do all sorts of modifications.
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But this is a factory thing.
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- I don't really think that tires are a mod, necessarily.
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- I don't consider this.
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- You want to start throwing slicks on cars and going around Nürburgring?
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Then you got yourself a problem.
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- Flicks do become different.
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- That's a difference to somebody that owns a car GT.
00:06:40
- Yeah, once it to stay, and maybe they refresh the tires with the 918 and give it specific tires.
00:06:44
- Maybe they should.
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They won't, I bet, because that's automatic hybrid stuff.
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And this is real shit.
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- Are you talking about this on the podcast because you will sell it so you get it back from service?
00:06:54
- No, now that there's more height.
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- I can't wait to drive it again.
00:06:57
Especially on the new tires.
00:06:58
- Well, Tim, do you think you could do?
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- I know, right?
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- Yeah, you personally.
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- This was a Porsche test driver by the way, who did this at 7269?
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- It's an amazing lap to watch, by the way, if you haven't gone to see it.
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- I think I could do, what are you, 714?
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I think I would do 10 minutes.
00:07:12
I watched the lap.
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I watched the lap, the whole thing.
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- How many times?
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- Two things really hit me about this lap.
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- Yeah.
00:07:19
- Number one, he is always either full throttle or full brakes without exception.
00:07:25
- That is how you drive, or, yeah.
00:07:27
It's easier said than done when you're driving as somebody else's million dollar car.
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He is always full throttle or full brakes without exception.
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Very interesting to watch.
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He just had no fear.
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- Right, well, that's the thing about race car drivers.
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They don't.
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I think it paid the big bucks to do it.
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If they stuff it, they stuff it.
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Like, we're gonna do this.
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- And that hit me watching the lap.
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And also, it's kind of funny because like, this is just for sport, you know?
00:07:49
Like, it's not, it's not, there's no professional aspect, but he just went for it.
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It was also very interesting.
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If you watch the lap, about 655 into the lap.
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It's a 712 lap, he almost loses it.
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And that is interesting to me because Nürburgring is incredibly long.
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You got to, if you want to drive and set a real time, you got to be chill with the fact that at 655, after all the work you've done, you might lose it, yep.
00:08:13
And you have to drive in a way that that might be possible.
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Like, you can't be like, oh, I've done six and a half amazing minutes, so I'm just gonna chill the last minute, which is what you'd want to do mentally.
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You got to take every minute of this track as like real.
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And I'm watching it like, I can't believe he hits 180 miles an hour, 300 kilometers.
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And on the slowdown from that, he almost loses it as he's downshifting.
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The car gets, I mean, I'm sure he was in control, but I would have lost it, and you can tell he's clearly the car is moving around a little, you know, the dancing.
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Over seven minutes of pure concentration.
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And you're not in a normal shorter track.
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You're seven minutes, you're repeating a lap of many, many times.
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Here you're, it's something new for full seven minutes.
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Yeah, and I have to say, it's hard.
00:09:00
Having to watch it also like his, like his shift points are so perfect.
00:09:04
It's like he knew, it's like he had a list is mine just remembered exactly what number gear he had to be and it's just like, it's just amazing.
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That's what remember, this is without rev matching.
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This is without PDK.
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This is real drivers.
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This adds another element to what a 918 spider drive would be where you can probably leave in an automatic.
00:09:18
They probably shift, but even then as opposed to clutch actually moving your leg.
00:09:23
I mean, it's real.
00:09:24
I know, no, it's, it's very impressive.
00:09:26
That's, that's real race car.
00:09:27
It's real race craft.
00:09:28
It really is.
00:09:29
It really is.
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And that was the clock.
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You're racing the clock, but it really was a master class in like how you have to do this.
00:09:36
It's been a while since I've watched a full Nurburgring lap in car.
00:09:39
It is quite something.
00:09:41
Well, I think you have the perspective of having driven one and you own one and it's like you can imagine more of what it's like than watching a Pagani whatever go around the time.
00:09:49
Nonetheless, like it's, I'm sitting there like, wow, this is what a professional.
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This is the difference between me and a professional and it ain't a small difference.
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No, like it is real.
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And I drive my car hard and I can do great downshifts.
00:10:00
It's taken a long time to figure it out.
00:10:01
But not like that.
00:10:02
He's on a, and I can't.
00:10:05
He's driving the car so hard.
00:10:06
It's almost like he's had, I don't know, years of experience in it, but you presume he hasn't.
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He probably just showed up and did a couple of laps.
00:10:11
Right.
00:10:12
That's the thing.
00:10:13
That's why they're professionals.
00:10:14
This is 15 seconds slower than the Mustang GCD.
00:10:16
We were talking about over a few two ago.
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It's why which is the fastest American car ever, ever is numbering and is meant for that purpose.
00:10:22
By the way, this is 20 years old.
00:10:23
Should point out also this is the second fastest manual transmission car ever to handle on the Nurburgring ACR Viper, which remember had tire failure on the third lap, but had to bail.
00:10:34
But hey, man, no tire failure here.
00:10:37
Imagine I'll scary that is to do.
00:10:38
If this car, which is designed for this purpose, like the Viper is a sports car, but like, you know, it's a hit.
00:10:45
It's probably a bigger handful.
00:10:46
That would be an interesting lap to watch on the end.
00:10:48
It shows how much I could find this.
00:10:50
Just amazing, amazing all around.
00:10:51
Amazing that they did it.
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And I truly wonder with good suspension.
00:10:54
At that point, obviously, you're going away from my whole claim about its manufacturer.
00:10:57
Provided tires, but I do wonder like where it could go.
00:11:00
But then you start wondering, OK, well, we're going to have 50 go, work on McLaren F1 go, work on F40 go.
00:11:04
If you were willing to change out some wear, some wearables, like suspension.
00:11:08
To be honest with you, a lot of cars.
00:11:09
Yes, a lot, a huge list even beyond the supercars.
00:11:13
Like what does it need 46M3 to do with cup twos on it?
00:11:15
It makes you wonder, though, kind of neutralizes some of all these great like we hold.
00:11:18
And anything spider is so much faster.
00:11:19
Well, well, there's some modernized stuff that actually you can fix pretty easily.
00:11:24
And then it's like, OK, well, if they're the same fast, wouldn't you rather have the one with the V10 and the manual?
00:11:29
Yes.
00:11:29
You know which car is not faster?
00:11:31
The Kuntosh.
00:11:32
Yeah, there's not much to fix in that.
00:11:34
What if there's ever done a Thai Kuntosh lap?
00:11:38
Oh, man, if if it made it, which is a big-- And they didn't like seven minutes of like hard training in Kuntosh, I mean, seven minutes of e-genres.
00:11:47
It's going to be like eight and a half, yeah, exactly.
00:11:49
All right, give us the next-- that's the best news story of the week, the month of the year.
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Give us the next news story.
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I'm sure you want to talk about this.
00:11:54
There have been a lot of reports that they are talking about a merger or other partnership.
00:11:58
They're kind of vague about it.
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They haven't really started the talks.
00:12:00
They should apparently be entering into a memorandum of an understanding this week, next week, to really begin the merger talks.
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Crazy.
00:12:07
We talked a while ago about how Nissan had per some reports a year or so of being around before they go bankrupt.
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Yeah.
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This is their solution, hopefully, for them.
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It would create the third largest manufacturer behind Volkswagen Group and Toyota Group.
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It would also include Mitsubishi, because Nissan owns like 25% for 24% Mitsubishi.
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It's interesting.
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It's kind of inevitable.
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There's got to be some consolidation.
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There's a lot of manufacturers.
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There's a lot of pressures from Tesla and other startup brands and Chinese brands, certainly, that have seemingly unlimited development capital and protectionist protectors.
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So you got to-- It's not that surprising that they will consolidate.
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As FCA did, by the way, as Volkswagen Group.
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We were talking last week about how there's too many brands that are trying to figure out from their own Maserati Go.
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Here's a good example of, if some of these companies want to survive, it's not just brands.
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It's many manufacturers.
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Some of these companies want to survive.
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This is kind of stuff's going to be inevitable.
00:13:00
I notice Nissan's stock price is up 23% yesterday.
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Hundreds is down 5%.
00:13:04
That's not huge as a-- That's exactly what I think.
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What does Honda have to gain?
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Scale.
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I mean, I just peer scale.
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Yeah, I think it's just scale.
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I do think it's interesting that Nissan is going down this road after the Renault thing, which they did, and then fought so hard against and tried to get out of it, and then did successfully get out of it.
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Now they're heading back in.
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They don't have a choice.
00:13:23
Well, clearly.
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Right, they just don't have a choice, but to find someone to be acquired, sell a lot of their-- You would have to assume this would be tremendously advantageous for Honda financially, or otherwise they wouldn't consider it.
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They're probably in much better shape.
00:13:35
I'd be a little surprised if these merger talks end up in anything.
00:13:39
Oh, I don't know.
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If they're announcing it or leaking it, but it's become very widespread as the front page of the Wall Street Journal yesterday.
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It's pretty strategic.
00:13:47
Then you've got to assume that there are more desires.
00:13:49
But I'd be a little surprised.
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Honda very much wants and has already been partnered with Nissan on EV technology, because Honda has very little of their own.
00:13:57
That's probably their hope from some of that.
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Scale is the hope of some of that.
00:14:00
But it is interesting to see how far some of these legacy automakers are finding themselves behind an EVs.
00:14:06
Toyota claims they've done it intentionally, but China has very quickly, within three years, gone from like, they are buying Western cars.
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They're buying gas powered cars to like all EVs, all Chinese.
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And they have the benefit of the protectionist Chinese government.
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These guys, if you lose the Chinese market, you're in a-- And they have and will have.
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100%.
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You want a really tough shape.
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You've got to figure out something else.
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And it's not just a Chinese market.
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Here in the US, we don't see Chinese cars.
00:14:31
Except for Chinese bull volos.
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But outside of that, you do.
00:14:35
We were looking at Mexican market cars.
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They were in San Diego yesterday.
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And there were a lot of Chinese cars.
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Every other market outside of the US, the Chinese-- These guys have a reason to be scared.
00:14:45
Yeah.
00:14:45
Especially because the Chinese government is providing them with enormous incentives and benefits to be successful.
00:14:51
And these old guys, not only are they not getting that, but they're behind in their technology, it's an interesting scenario.
00:14:57
Mergers, not easy.
00:14:58
Mergers, not easy, take forever.
00:14:59
In fact, I sit here in one-- And what is that?
00:15:01
Is it really beneficial to get a larger, less dynamic company?
00:15:06
It hasn't Tesla's success been largely predicated on the fact that they're like svelte and quick and can make quick changes and do stuff.
00:15:13
And here we want to combine these two giant dinosaur companies.
00:15:16
And yeah, what do you do?
00:15:18
Do you keep any some brand and then infinity brand and then the Dawson sub brand and then Mitsubishi?
00:15:23
Because that exists in other markets.
00:15:26
What do you do with that merger?
00:15:27
I think you want to do a lot of technology sharing.
00:15:29
Kind of like Stellantis had it done.
00:15:30
It's got to be-- But not very successful in development.
00:15:32
I mean, it's got to be all EVs.
00:15:33
Got to focus all on EVs.
00:15:35
That would be interesting to say.
00:15:36
Meanwhile, this market is rejecting EVs.
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- Our next news story.
00:17:20
- I go to the go to the land, I don't know what that is.
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- Yes, so Lamborghini has announced unsurprisingly that they are pushing back their EV production till 2009.
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Now they debuted a car, they're the EV concept that's supposed to come out in 2008.
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However, they're like, "Eh, maybe not."
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- What do you think of actually?
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- This is when I think Lamborghini, this is precisely what I think.
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Something that's spitten flames and looks nuts.
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- Spitten flames in a tunnel.
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- An EV is just antithetical to everything they stand for.
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They want noise and passion and you want it to have like machine guns that come out of the hood.
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- You can do it in a new V.
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And then you can sell a fire.
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I gotta tell you.
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- Not exciting.
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You can have a supportive of EVs.
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This new story, I'm just like, hell yeah.
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- Hell yeah.
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Lamborghini's like, "Yo."
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- I was ready to kind of start figuring out how to make the transition and all that.
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All these companies were doing it.
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It's, they're all pushing back and I think that's probably for the better for the consumer.
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And by the way, I'm referring specifically to high performance sports car exotic.
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- Yes, I think that I'm driving this Mccani V right now.
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That car is great and it's better than the gas one.
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But for how most people use it, they should get a electric one, right?
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- Totally.
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- That, when I want a sports car, I want an experience and an engine is important to that.
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And so it's not a surprise that they're doing this, but it is notable.
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I mean, that's a big sports car manufacturer.
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An important sports car manufacturer that continues to grow an important saying, no.
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These companies have to be looking at the pen and free of a taste on the Rimecnav era, which have not been selling.
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And which have been getting slaughtered on the use market.
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Plus they have to be looking at cars like the SF90, where they're getting slaughtered on the use market, whereas four, five, eight specialties are double, they gotta be looking at that and saying,
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okay, these, it's not just a couple of enthusiasts.
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The market is speaking.
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- Definitely.
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And, you know, Monte Ramon said that himself.
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Like the people just don't want the electric stuff for their sports cars.
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If you're gonna spend that kind of money to have an experience, but I agree, daily stuff, EVs, no problem.
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- Whatever, who cares?
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- Traffic is traffic.
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- Traffic is traffic.
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- Traffic is traffic.
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- Right, we'd rather plug it in 'cause it doesn't admit and it doesn't cost money, but like this, do you think that once they eventually go, EV, the like exhaust manufacturer like Guentani and FI will maybe just like flame thrower for the back?
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But there won't be exhaust.
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They gotta do something.
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- I gotta be honest with you, the pushbacks on timeline make me wonder when they will go EV.
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Like we're talking 29 now, okay, that's five years.
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I'm only thinking about this from a self-adjusted perspective.
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Okay, I'll be 41 42.
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I mean, can we make this last until I'm out of the situation?
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- You know what I mean?
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- You just gotta get another 50, 60 years in that total and you're good.
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- I'm good, right?
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- Yep.
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- Not unlikely.
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- Yeah, you do wonder what the exhaust manufacturers will do, but you also wonder if they'll never have to face it.
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- And I'll be shocked.
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- I sincerely mean that.
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- For sports, yeah, I think we'll see.
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This will be an interesting thing to think back on 20 years from now, but I am curious.
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- Yeah, 20 years from now to be settled.
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And it'll be like, I wonder, I'm curious.
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- Well, no, the direction.
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That's what's so exciting about right now 'cause they don't really know which direction they'll go.
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So, I don't know, we'll see.
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But me, I'm hoping that V12, it's bit flames.
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- Yeah.
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- So they're around.
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- Now the Temerera, you're Rihari, John Tamarion.
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- The John Tamarion.
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Is that, that's a plug-in hybrid?
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- Yes.
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- Really, that's right.
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Yes, VA.
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- Okay.
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- I mean, it's not as bad as-- - No.
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- It's not a V10, like it's just right.
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- A hybrid is.
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- All that really matters, I agree.
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I think that all that really matters with us is that you have the sound in some capacity and you have that excitement.
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- I agree, generally, although SF90 values are showing me at least, that there is less of an interest in on the use market.
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There's less of an interest in the plug-in stuff.
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Meanwhile, the big engine car still seems to be doing-- - I think that's first.
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- This is doing okay.
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- What's doing okay?
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- The two next seconds.
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- That's true.
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- And Revolto is doing tremendously well, which I assume is hybrid and some kind of-- - I can't believe the number they've delivered.
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But I do think that-- - And they're getting big money.
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- I think the SF90 is a big concern because Ferrari really shot themselves in the foot with how they did not support the law Ferrari.
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At our own Ferrari duo in San Diego, there are three of them in for service.
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I suspect all for $300,000 batteries that Ferrari doesn't support.
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- P1, there's batteries.
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- P1, I don't know how much I'm allowed to disclose, but maybe Foley Book could take it from here.
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- Yeah, I really carefully watched the P1.
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(laughing)
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- You had a great-- You had an SR Martin Valkyrie review that came out this week.
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- You had a great line in that about how much a more of an experience it is than the P1 and Ferrari Batista that you drove a few weeks ago.
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- Yeah.
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It's notable.
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- It's an experience even just watching it.
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- Yeah.
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- It's like I would have that review.
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- It's just like, yeah, especially all the camera of like-- - I was astonished as a response to that video.
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People were really into it.
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And I think that is sort of gives you eyesight into how people feel about crazy gas powered hyper supercar type things in general.
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Like they still, that's still what gets emotion going for people.
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- I would rather have said many times, I'd rather have a slow car that makes me feel like I'm going fast than an actually fast car.
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- I think about 993s all the time.
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It's just the feel of it is great.
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And Porsche's like, well, beauty can.
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- That's why Ken don't want the Viber.
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- Yeah, you feel-- - Yeah, well, I don't know if that really is a feel car.
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All right, give us the next news, right?
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I'm so happy for Lamborghini and the rest of the world.
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- All right, so Ferrari has announced that they are going to be the engine supplier for the Cadillac Formula One team in 2026.
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Now, the interesting thing about that announcement is that Cadillac has not been approved by the FIA to compete in Formula One in 2006 yet.
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Not yet, they're still in the process.
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- They bought the team, like what does that mean?
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- You have to go through, it's a very hard dress process to go through approval from the FIA to make sure you have the facilities to produce such a car that can do all bunch of other stuff.
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And it gets very political as you can imagine.
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- I ask a lot of questions.
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My assumption, okay, I see that-- I don't know any about Formula One.
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I see the car on the track.
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They call it a track.
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- They call it a track.
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- Well, some are track, some are street circuits, but we'll move on.
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- The car says Aston Martin.
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My assumption is that Aston Martin makes the body, the engine, the steering wheel.
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- Not always, so there are a number of manufacturers for our Mercedes-Benz to come to mind immediately, that supply engines to other teams.
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So you can buy an engine and a gearbox, which is what Ferrari says they're going to supply from another manufacturer and put it in your own car.
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Now-- - Is it not antithetical to the whole, like Cadillac is going to compete, like carrying the torch for America in Formula One.
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- They're going to have a-- - Except the entire powertrain, like, you know what I mean?
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Like, I want Cadillac to have a Cadillac.
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I want a black wing V8, and I don't know what the rules are.
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- Well, that won't happen, but as much as I wish to happen, that will not.
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- So what?
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Like, I don't understand.
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What Cadillac wants to be in the F1 so badly that they had going to have to all engine build by another manufacturer?
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- I mean, Red Bulls used a number of engines.
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- Red Bull doesn't make Honda.
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They then bought Honda's engines and build them in-house.
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I mean, this has happened with a lot of manufacturers.
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- I know, but it's annoying to me.
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I wanted Cadillac to be ground up.
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I wanted Mario and Dredi in their wension on the engines themselves.
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I wanted Bob Lutz or his ghost.
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I'm not sure to be building engines in Detroit.
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- The reality of that is that it is incredibly expensive.
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And Jim has come and said they will make a Formula One engine.
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They will get there.
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To get off the ground and get things moving for our His Agreed to be this.
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- Why not just wait to launch?
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- So you've done it.
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You know what this is?
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- Because if they want to get in the sport, now is the time to capitalize.
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It's very popular in America to be in Formula One.
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This is an American, a real American manufacturer.
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We had Hoss F1, which ties to Gene Hoss.
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He does a lot of racing in America.
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- Sure.
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- But this is a real, this is GM.
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- Do you think that GM's for- - GM's for- - GM's for- - GM's for- - Mario bar is worried that Cadillac will have clothes as a brand by the time they start to develop their own engines.
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Cadillac's for real, they got the X-T6 and the Vistich.
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It's Vistich.
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I think.
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- Okay, so they're gonna go racing.
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Cadillac, when is this gonna happen?
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26.
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- They're saying, 2026, yeah.
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And Ferrari's made it very clear that it is contingent on Cadillac being approved to be in the sport.
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But yeah, 2026 is when we should see that on the ground.
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- This is the Honda Prologue of Formula One.
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It is.
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- They know they're gonna do better things later, but they're just getting started.
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- Hey man, you gotta start somewhere.
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- You gotta start somewhere.
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- The last start looks like that.
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- I'm super into it.
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Who's gonna sponsor this thing?
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Can I?
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- If you have enough money to do it, I suppose you can.
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- You've got to have like a decal on like right there.
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- You know what I mean?
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- Well, in highly visible spots on television, a ton.
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But there are spots on a Formula One car that are a lot less expensive than you might think.
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- Yeah.
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- But none of those ones.
00:25:43
- What can I get for eight grand?
00:25:45
- Something really small.
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It would be great to have like a tiny noodle.
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- I have decided that if not a Formula One fan, I've ever been a Formula One fan, I have decided that I am going to cheer on Cadillac in Formula One.
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I'm gonna cheer on the American brand.
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- I got you to watch Formula One for even one season.
00:26:03
I would be so happy.
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- Well now it's relevant to me.
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You know, before it was a bunch of Europeans out there doing stuff, I don't know what they're going on.
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- 2026 is a big deal.
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Next year, because there's a huge regulation change that comes out here.
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So it will shake up the grid and we'll see what's going on.
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- You know what they should do for regulations?
00:26:21
Have no regulations.
00:26:22
That's the race series that I would fan car.
00:26:25
- The problem is, then they have self-adjusting the suspension and the car kind of drives it.
00:26:28
If there were no regulations, they probably would-- If manufacturers want to get rid of drivers altogether, let the cars drive themselves.
00:26:33
- Well that seems not fun.
00:26:35
- I would, I would watch.
00:26:36
- Precisely.
00:26:36
They tried this like recently with like AI driven, it was a disaster.
00:26:42
I don't even think the car's completed a laugh.
00:26:44
I don't remember exactly what circuit it was at, but they attempted this and it was-- - Well it's funny.
00:26:48
- AI, they could do it.
00:26:50
- I don't know.
00:26:51
- It's a single track.
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What's the fun in that?
00:26:52
- It's a single single.
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- We'll have this figured out within a couple of days.
00:26:55
- I have said many times, like I root for the driver and the team, like that's what you want to see.
00:27:00
- At that point, just like a track in the ground and just have it follow that.
00:27:05
Like a fuck car.
00:27:06
- Or a whole thing be broken.
00:27:07
Have the whole thing be verred.
00:27:08
- Why have it?
00:27:09
- They would run the race.
00:27:10
- Well they do that, and that is the most boring thing in the world of the watch, but yeah.
00:27:13
- What?
00:27:14
- They do a game racing?
00:27:15
- Yeah, they do e-sports, like for form, like not for form a one, but-- - I'll see if you want it any time.
00:27:18
- Let's go.
00:27:19
- In theory, we will have a separate brief story.
00:27:22
So Max Verstappen was taking part.
00:27:23
They did like a version of that for Le Mans for 24 hours.
00:27:26
You were gonna drive digitally and formal and Max Verstappen who just sits and does this all day.
00:27:31
They just love simulators.
00:27:33
Took part in it and they had so many like glitches where when the system would glitch, it would send you back to the pits.
00:27:39
So he'd be like around a lot and then all of a sudden being the pits and he'd be like, guys, eventually he got so fed up with it.
00:27:44
He was like, I'm done, that's enough.
00:27:45
I've had enough of it.
00:27:46
I was like 10 hours in, but he was like, I'm finished.
00:27:49
This is ridiculous and I'm done, the wild stuff.
00:27:52
- All right, let's move on to talking about cars.
00:27:54
- Let's talk about cars.
00:27:55
- We gotta talk about cars now.
00:27:56
We generally talk about cars on the podcast, but for some reason there's a segment called talk cars we talk about cars.
00:28:00
- Yeah.
00:28:00
- I want to talk about the first thing I want to talk about.
00:28:01
I didn't say any of the picture, but I could describe it.
00:28:03
I damaged a press car.
00:28:05
- Yes, sure.
00:28:06
- Oh, no.
00:28:07
- For the first time, not the first time I've done this many times.
00:28:09
(laughing)
00:28:10
No, I've actually only done it three or four times.
00:28:12
- And bit accused of it, a few others.
00:28:14
- And then bit accused.
00:28:15
I don't even want to get into the McLaren incident.
00:28:17
Bit accused of it a few other times, but.
00:28:19
- What did you do?
00:28:20
- Hit a mailbox, hit a house, hit a wall.
00:28:22
- I lightly curbed the wheel on my bike.
00:28:25
Now, this is the biggest, I've never crashed a press car.
00:28:27
I've never damaged a press car.
00:28:28
I've never hit anyone in the press car.
00:28:29
I've never hit anything in the press car.
00:28:30
I've never been in an accident.
00:28:31
- You get a curve.
00:28:32
- Never seriously damaged a press car.
00:28:33
- Never any real damage, okay.
00:28:35
But I've curbed two or three wheels, and then I scraped the, I scratched the roof of a Subaru BRZ once, and that's like it.
00:28:43
That's like, my, how?
00:28:44
- I had like, there was like something I had on it, and I guess I didn't lift it up.
00:28:48
I like pulled it off, and it was, I was astonished that it scratched, but we can have a discussion about Subaru paint another time.
00:28:54
- But regardless, the big issue here is that the my bike was supposed to come to me six weeks ago, but the wheel was damaged when the car was in transit to me by the press car company.
00:29:02
- Oh, you get it.
00:29:03
- And so it, and then they had to order the wheel to come six weeks for the wheel to come, and then I damaged the wheel again.
00:29:09
On the last day I had it while I was parking it, just for the press car people took me in the spot for the wheel.
00:29:14
- I mean, how noticeably.
00:29:16
- Well, the black wheels, and so it's like scratch silver.
00:29:20
Get a sharpie.
00:29:20
- That particular car, I think, I think they'll just paint it.
00:29:23
Like a wheel wasn't so, like it wasn't any real thing, but I'm very, damaging press cars very annoying to me.
00:29:28
Other journalists I'm told do it, and when I worked at Porsche, we heard some stories.
00:29:31
I, the RPR team told us, there was a journalist who rolled a Cayenne turbo with Cayenne.
00:29:35
- Oh, man.
00:29:38
- I'm stunned as just one person.
00:29:40
I have never had any of that stuff happen.
00:29:42
I've never been in a real accident, but scratch the wheel.
00:29:46
- Oh, I'm very sorry.
00:29:46
- Right.
00:29:47
- Yeah, but the other cars, you scratch the wheel stuff.
00:29:50
- A Ferrari GTC 4 Lucille a long time.
00:29:53
I've had 10 years ago, probably.
00:29:55
I can't remember, little stuff.
00:29:57
One time, Noodle jumped into a BMW I had, and like, ruffled a leather center console cover.
00:30:04
I didn't, it wasn't inviting him in.
00:30:06
I had the door open, and he jumped in, and-- - Yep, he's done that.
00:30:09
- Little stuff, he's jumped into my BMW as a matter of fact.
00:30:12
- The press car companies assume this is gonna happen.
00:30:14
Like, and the press cars are known, and they find a new driver basically every week, and the goal is to drive him hard, and drive him a lot.
00:30:20
But I still feel terrible when I do it, 'cause I never do it.
00:30:23
- I will say, the number of times that has been damaged in transit to you, still out of numbers.
00:30:27
- Absolutely.
00:30:27
- I frequently will get a call being like, we were gonna deliver this today, and unfortunately, we had an accident, scratched a wheel.
00:30:33
It broke down.
00:30:34
- Somebody else crashed it.
00:30:36
- Yeah, that happens not in frequently.
00:30:39
- The McLaren thing that happened was, I got a call, the McLaren's something or other, I don't remember how it came to me, for a day, I drove it to the office, filmed the video, drove it home.
00:30:48
I don't, other journalists, when they get him a McLaren, they like spend the whole day, you know, there's just like, they're like, for that day, they call their friends, they get him a-- - For me, it's, I got other cars like this.
00:30:58
I don't really care, and I'm not big in a McLaren day.
00:31:00
Drove it to the office, drove it home, seven miles, right?
00:31:02
And I get a call, yeah, the underside is scraped.
00:31:05
I'm like, I'm be honest with you.
00:31:07
I have these cars personally, and I drove that thing seven miles.
00:31:11
I didn't scrape the other side.
00:31:12
You could blame whoever you want, but that wasn't me.
00:31:15
And I don't know what happened, I didn't, I just didn't accept it.
00:31:18
I was just like, nope, nope, it was not me.
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00:32:52
Yeah, can we talk about more about the Valkyrie?
00:32:55
I watched the video last night at home today on the couch.
00:32:58
Do you wanna talk about the Valkyrie?
00:32:59
I watched it, I watched it, I watched it.
00:33:02
You'll watch my videos if it's like an electric minivan.
00:33:04
Yeah, and it's the only supercar one that I've, I haven't watched it one day.
00:33:08
I saw the car here.
00:33:09
It's the only one that I've watched in a long time.
00:33:10
But like the, I was told ahead of time we were trying to figure out what to do with the camera for the end car and the audio.
00:33:16
And I'm glad we left it 'cause it's like unfocuses and refocuses based on vibration.
00:33:19
How was that experience?
00:33:21
You sent us and our friend groups and photos while you were filming it.
00:33:24
And it's very clear that like I feel like the video didn't capture how insane that car is somehow.
00:33:29
People I thought would make fun of me and maybe they did, I don't really read the comments.
00:33:32
But people I thought would make fun of me for comparing it to a race car at the highest level.
00:33:36
I think I said that or I didn't the voiceover that we were gonna put over the audio 'cause you couldn't hear it.
00:33:40
Like driving a Formula One car 'cause it's like, you've never driven it.
00:33:42
You would, you know, I mean, I can't be much crazier than that.
00:33:45
We were going 12,000 RPM, everything was shaking.
00:33:47
You couldn't hear a thing.
00:33:49
It was, it was absolute visceral insanity in your mind.
00:33:52
I get out of that car and I was like, panting, I was like, oh, you know, like I was crazy.
00:33:58
Totally, totally unbelievable experience.
00:34:00
Really, really, really insane.
00:34:02
And we're driving that down Newport coast there.
00:34:04
- Yeah.
00:34:05
- And a guy in like a C63.
00:34:07
- C's and he's like flipping out.
00:34:09
Imagine you're just cruising along.
00:34:11
- I lose it.
00:34:12
That's what you hope to see driving around.
00:34:14
- No plates for just like seven minutes, you know.
00:34:17
And this like, yeah, it's like imagine.
00:34:19
- We would have.
00:34:20
- Oh, I want to freak out on it.
00:34:21
Even he might have, for sure.
00:34:24
- I was surprised at the response.
00:34:25
I'm still getting text messages with people.
00:34:27
I can't believe that video, it's so amazing.
00:34:28
It was cool.
00:34:29
I didn't think that people were so excited about that car as they are.
00:34:32
- Nobody knows.
00:34:33
Like they exist.
00:34:34
They're in the ether.
00:34:35
Like nobody knows what it's like.
00:34:36
- Nobody knows what it's like.
00:34:37
- Yeah.
00:34:38
Where does it, I have an important question.
00:34:40
Consumers question.
00:34:41
The top computer move, right?
00:34:43
- Yeah.
00:34:44
- We didn't do it.
00:34:44
Can I be stowed anywhere?
00:34:45
- I can't imagine.
00:34:46
'Cause there's no storage really.
00:34:48
- I looked to your videos for answers to questions such as this.
00:34:51
- You know, we were running up on, we were running up on daylight.
00:34:54
I did everything.
00:34:56
If you, I'm sure you watched the quirks, like the drive is cool.
00:34:58
That's what everybody's been talking about.
00:34:59
The quirks segment, I did everything.
00:35:01
- Yeah.
00:35:02
- I'd like to see other people do some of it for where the roof panels get.
00:35:05
- You know what I also did, which is really annoying?
00:35:08
In order to film a bunch of different things, I had to climb in and out of that car.
00:35:12
- Oh.
00:35:13
- Truly probably 25 times, it was hell.
00:35:16
You got to take off your shoes.
00:35:17
You have to.
00:35:17
People are making fun of me apparently in the Supercar ride video for having my shoes off.
00:35:21
There's no option.
00:35:22
- It's so well that small.
00:35:24
- Well, and also you're stepping on, you're stepping on expensive stuff.
00:35:28
And so like, I'd rather do that with my socks than with shoes.
00:35:30
So you're, that's a thing.
00:35:32
And yeah, it's really tight in that car.
00:35:34
So like getting rid of anything you can to make yourself sit in.
00:35:37
By the end, I was like thinking to myself, I hope I never see it.
00:35:41
- You're just, you won't.
00:35:43
So you're going to get to that's true.
00:35:45
- Then you're just developing more and look at you.
00:35:47
You're going to turn to a race car fan.
00:35:49
You're just developing more and more of appreciation for a race car.
00:35:52
- Oh wow.
00:35:52
- I don't know.
00:35:53
- They're crazy.
00:35:54
- You love the P1 GTR.
00:35:55
- I love the P1 GTR.
00:35:56
I don't know that I would say that I loved the Valkyrie.
00:36:00
I would say that it was an experience like few others.
00:36:03
I loved it for what it did.
00:36:06
Like if you wanted that, it delivers it better than any car I have ever been in.
00:36:10
- I don't know that I would want it personally.
00:36:13
- I'm not saying you do.
00:36:14
I'm saying you're developing an appreciation from these experiences.
00:36:17
- Yeah.
00:36:18
- Not that you have to have them.
00:36:20
Not that you would want to drive a Formula One car.
00:36:22
- But you're developing.
00:36:23
- There's definitely quite a thing to experience.
00:36:26
- So cool.
00:36:27
- And it definitely, it has this roots in Formula One because of how it was developed and who was developed by it.
00:36:32
- Yes.
00:36:32
- Use, I'm sure Formula One cars are more insane, but like, this was, this was it.
00:36:39
- The big difference is from, I mean, the error of that car is exceptional, but the Formula One car is complete.
00:36:44
I mean, it generates 6G around corners, which is, imagine you have to be a real pro.
00:36:49
- I think I'm pretty poor, Coach Bull.
00:36:50
Why don't you get the?
00:36:52
- Absolutely.
00:36:52
- I don't know if we left it in, I didn't watch the direct, but there was one point where I shifted as high as I could.
00:37:00
And he supercar runs, like, you know, you shifted it at five.
00:37:03
I mean, it's nothing.
00:37:04
That's a, that's a two thirds of the way up the rev range.
00:37:07
You know, it would be like shifting in怨 GT at 4400.
00:37:09
- Now, imagine doing it with a manual and a car called a T.50.
00:37:13
- I don't know that you want to, but I think we've talked enough about it.
00:37:15
That's interesting.
00:37:17
- That's an interesting.
00:37:18
- A more refined experience, nonetheless.
00:37:21
- Refined?
00:37:22
- Refined as a word of reason for anything in Valkyrie related to it.
00:37:24
- The T.50 is a refined experience.
00:37:26
- The refinement have made it better.
00:37:29
- The T.50.
00:37:30
- The Valkyrie?
00:37:31
- For a lot of car he actually wants to enjoy.
00:37:32
- Yes.
00:37:33
- That's a fine point.
00:37:34
I mean, the Valkyrie, one of its benefits is that it is so race car-like.
00:37:39
And that's one of the things I liked about P1 GTR and BAC mono is that even though I'm not into those cars, if I had lots of money, I'd probably have a P1 GTR because just that, it was just so unrefined that the character of that was cool.
00:37:52
- Have you done a Vulcan?
00:37:54
- No.
00:37:55
- Interesting.
00:37:56
- No.
00:37:56
- I think that's just much harder to drive.
00:37:58
We had one at the exotic car dealership I worked at and watching one of the guys who had driven race cars, like move it around is hilarious.
00:38:05
He stalled it like 25 times.
00:38:07
It's like, 'cause it's an extract gearbox.
00:38:10
You hear it go, and the gear in it just wants to go.
00:38:13
- Yeah, for all of its insanity, he's actually a car you can use.
00:38:18
Like it has a regular transmission to the extent that you put it and drive it and it goes and like it has a rearview mirror camera and it has like a radio.
00:38:26
Like it's a car that is as far as crazy stuff goes.
00:38:30
It's like usable crazy stuff.
00:38:33
- Right, and a Valkyrie is a dedicated track car.
00:38:36
- It really is.
00:38:37
Some made for roadies, but you need the Vulcan.
00:38:39
- Vulcan, yeah.
00:38:41
- Vulcan, yeah.
00:38:41
I think they were all track cars.
00:38:42
Maybe there were some.
00:38:43
- I think that they couldn't be used in a lot of tracks as they exceed the noise limit 'cause that is unbelievable how loud that car is.
00:38:48
But anyway, a really cool experience in a great video.
00:38:50
- I'm thrilled at the response.
00:38:52
I thought it was really cool.
00:38:52
It was interesting to see that.
00:38:53
'Cause I don't do a lot of hypercar videos anymore because a lot of the, I've done 'em all, you know?
00:38:58
And now it's a lot of EVs and stuff.
00:39:00
And some of those get really positive, like get big views, the ID buzz.
00:39:03
- The picture of it is it did well from like a view perspective.
00:39:06
People wanted to see it, but you never get, when you do the ID buzz in the Ruby and R2, it's a lot of interested consumers and it's a lot of people who are in the market or just wanna see it's cool.
00:39:16
To see the response to like a holy crap, this is insane video is kind of...
00:39:20
- No, that's kind of insane.
00:39:20
- I think that no other video years has shown quite how insane it is.
00:39:24
Like this video.
00:39:25
- Which is good because it's actually hard to describe.
00:39:27
I really think for that car, it's like hard to put into words.
00:39:30
No one else has ever had the experience of driving cars shifts at 12,000.
00:39:33
So like I can't explain it.
00:39:35
I've tried for years to explain why the Kuntosh is so special and I think it still falls on deaf ears a lot of the time.
00:39:40
Because it's hard to explain.
00:39:42
But that video kind of did it.
00:39:43
- You should show it.
00:39:44
- You should show it.
00:39:44
- Yeah, yeah.
00:39:46
All right, Ken, tell us about your...
00:39:48
We're not gonna listen to...
00:39:49
I won't accept anything about you.
00:39:51
- A 500-a-barth, potentially buying cars.
00:39:53
- Oh, yeah, come on.
00:39:54
- No, so the car is sitting there and we can see it.
00:39:58
You are not of no permission to talk about it.
00:40:01
It's on our list of things to talk about.
00:40:03
He added in, that is insane.
00:40:04
- I said nothing.
00:40:05
- But let's talk about the kind turbo on your desire to have one.
00:40:07
- Yeah, so I do really want a daily and I'm trying to decide what to get and I'm very precious about my car as you can imagine.
00:40:13
And so I'm trying to figure out...
00:40:15
A cayenne turbo seems like the right answer.
00:40:17
But I had been thinking...
00:40:19
- Did you come this conclusion because of our...
00:40:22
- Oh, yes.
00:40:23
Just driving around the city and going through dips and parking and looking back at it, like turning around and it's still a nice car.
00:40:29
- You can now get a cayenne base for $10,000.
00:40:32
Or an SE hybrid for 12 nice cities of the turbo.
00:40:35
- Or an SE hybrid with the option for 13.
00:40:38
I will say an S, even the S from that era was a 400 horsepower, pretty stuck.
00:40:42
- Pretty solid, yes.
00:40:43
- Maybe you described so far, just there's some suspension travel and it looks like a cayenne.
00:40:47
- That's just a part.
00:40:48
- Every cayenne...
00:40:49
- Well, like the kind turbo drives great.
00:40:51
I really put around some corners at speed and it is lovely, drives very nicely.
00:40:56
But my point is like, would it be better for me to consider leasing a daily that like just...
00:41:00
I don't have to worry about maintenance.
00:41:02
That's the big fear with the cayenne turbo.
00:41:04
They are reliable cars, but consumables are pretty expensive.
00:41:07
- Yeah.
00:41:08
- And you know, it's like...
00:41:09
- The problem is...
00:41:10
- I don't think you could ever lease anything that's anywhere near as cool as the cayenne turbo for what the cayenne turbo will cost you to own.
00:41:16
So let's say the cayenne turbo costs even being pretty liberal at like four grand a year in repairs and maintenance.
00:41:24
I can't imagine it would be that.
00:41:25
- I can't, I don't think so.
00:41:25
- If you get a nice one.
00:41:26
- Yeah.
00:41:27
- Maybe five grand, I don't know.
00:41:28
- For $15,000.
00:41:29
- For a year, we'll round a bunch.
00:41:31
It's a little bit over $3,000.
00:41:32
- I think that's more than enough.
00:41:33
- That's a thing.
00:41:34
What 300 bucks a month does in base on a four.
00:41:36
- On an EV6.
00:41:38
- Yeah.
00:41:38
- Nissan Aria.
00:41:39
- Yeah, I just, that's the thing I'm going into.
00:41:41
It's like, and to be honest with you, it's like, I've considered it's like, well, do I just want kind of a normal which car to deal in the answers?
00:41:46
No, I'm a car enthusiast.
00:41:47
And like, I couldn't be in anything boring.
00:41:49
It has to be something that like, I am excited about even if it's a car I don't care as much about in terms of how I'm precious with it.
00:41:56
If I just has to be engaging and excited.
00:41:59
- I think you would be bored if you went out and leased an Aria for 300 months.
00:42:02
Yeah, you'd save money on not using your M5 as much and save fuel and all that.
00:42:07
But like at what personal cost?
00:42:09
- An EVs don't fit into my life because I don't have a place to charge it at where I live.
00:42:13
- No, it's a charge, don't really need the space.
00:42:14
Like, don't really need, like it's nice for the emissions and really driving around like where we live, like in kind of in the city.
00:42:20
It's like, it's a little bit nice.
00:42:22
And the silence and serenity of an EV is appealing when you have something a little bit more visceral.
00:42:28
- Yeah.
00:42:28
- Not that that car is pretty visceral.
00:42:29
- It would definitely fit into your lifestyle.
00:42:30
And there are positives like you wouldn't have to pay for fuel.
00:42:34
But, kind of, turbo is a kind of turbo.
00:42:36
- I know, it gets the same fuel economy that that was around town, which is-- - Not if you drive like Doug does and it's a little kind of a challenge.
00:42:44
- It was impressive.
00:42:45
I thought about that.
00:42:46
- So am I considered?
00:42:46
- Of course, I don't really have to use it.
00:42:47
- By that measure, I just buy a Corvette.
00:42:49
- Yeah.
00:42:50
So I think the hunt for a kind of turbo is like, we'll commence shortly.
00:42:53
- And out of a con.
00:42:55
- You know, because other than he would make fun of me for a lot, and I do like the macon, I do love the way they look.
00:43:00
- I would make fun of you, but macon turbo is pretty damn good.
00:43:03
It's very athletic, and con turbo has PDK, whereas cayenne always had tip-prone.
00:43:08
- Always had tip, yeah, for towing reasons, this is my understanding.
00:43:10
But I think the reason not my friend Nick had one and had just tremendous issues, which is, I know maybe not as common, but the cayenne, the way I view it is like the cayenne is developed a little bit more as a solid platform because it had to be used for Bentley,
00:43:23
had to be used for Lamborghini, had to be used for a number of other things in macon lessso.
00:43:28
And I think it's just a less expensive, they put a little bit less R&D into it maybe, and that's why there is issues.
00:43:33
- Just based on personal information and all, cayenne, those cayenne turbos do seem to be pretty reliable.
00:43:38
- They seem to be solid.
00:43:39
- You get one of those 70,000 miles, you get like a 12 or 13, 70,000 miles, I think you drive that car for a long time.
00:43:44
- That's probably a 20,000 car.
00:43:45
- And that's a 25 car, no?
00:43:47
- 30.
00:43:47
- For a 12, 13,000.
00:43:48
- Oh, he's out of his mind.
00:43:50
- But I have looked for one with reasonable mileage in the color that isn't black, because of so many of them are off the list, but I kind of want that exact spec.
00:44:00
So it's gonna be maybe one by the time.
00:44:02
- Yeah, 140,000 miles and so it's gonna be like, well, I'd like to get one with less miles than that.
00:44:06
Just 'cause again, maintenance costs are what are on my mind, because I put the money into the car, I want to have perfect in terms of maintenance, and I would like to not be doing that for the next one.
00:44:16
So.
00:44:17
- I'm interested, I would love it.
00:44:18
I also think you can get in and out of it, no problem without losing money.
00:44:22
- Or not a ton of money, yeah, I don't think so.
00:44:25
- But there's so many cool cars for 25 year-end.
00:44:28
- Yeah, but for what I want.
00:44:29
Daily that can do everything, he can off-road it, he can luxury it, he can drive it fast.
00:44:33
- That is everything.
00:44:34
- He can enjoy it.
00:44:35
When you look at a client's car, but when I look at one, when I see one on the street, I'm always like, it doesn't 11 or 12, I'm still like, that is a cool car.
00:44:41
- I totally agree, and I just drive five.
00:44:44
- Driving that one around, listen to watercolors like, rather than like, man, ugh.
00:44:48
- Some would wonder if you even need an E39M5.
00:44:50
- Oh, absolutely, so.
00:44:52
- Let's do a quick market report brought to you by Cars and Bids.
00:44:54
Actually, it's brought to you by the Cars and Bids app.
00:44:56
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00:44:57
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00:45:01
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00:45:04
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00:45:04
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00:45:06
We need to get an update, Hunter.
00:45:08
I don't know what's good or what's bad.
00:45:09
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00:45:15
- Okay, there's not much to discuss in market work 'cause I really want to get to questions 'cause I love the question segment.
00:45:18
Oh my god, what is this Hellcat thing we have?
00:45:20
We got a Hellcat jailbreak convertible live on the site.
00:45:23
- That's so cool.
00:45:25
- I'm so glad to be mad at you.
00:45:26
- Where is 700-something?
00:45:27
- 700-something five-star reviews.
00:45:28
- 700-something five-star reviews.
00:45:29
- Yeah, or what do you mean?
00:45:30
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00:45:31
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00:45:32
- That's so cool.
00:45:33
- There's only one marker report that I want to talk about.
00:45:35
- Okay, I'll do one of mine and you do one of yours.
00:45:37
- Yeah.
00:45:38
- Lotus Evora.
00:45:39
Pull it out.
00:45:40
- Oh yeah.
00:45:41
- I want to talk with Evora because on the subject of cars that are getting cheaper, which has been a topic we've talked about a lot lately, and it's done well on these pod shorts that we've been doing.
00:45:51
Evora is getting cheaper, but I bet it's flooring.
00:45:56
- Yeah, yeah.
00:45:57
- I can't imagine that a 2010 with 23,000 miles in a manual gets too much cheaper than 36, and then you start to realize the Evora, it has the famous Elysthang.
00:46:07
Like the Elysth, you could buy one for 30, so one for 30, now it's maybe 35.
00:46:10
Evora is the same deal.
00:46:12
Toyota powertrain still stout, and they're getting to that point where they're probably floored and you can buy and sell and get out of it for the same number, and because they're reliable, you probably don't have to put much money into it.
00:46:20
And these cars have always kind of been used car market bargains, and I think that at this price, 35, 36, I am guessing that this is about where they stay, and then they become real use car market bargains when you don't even have to factor in depreciation,
00:46:33
or much maintenance or repair.
00:46:35
- Well, I, the engine may be reliable, but I'm concerned about the other aspects of the car that are not engine related, like that.
00:46:42
The English and their electronics are not well known for being complementary.
00:46:45
- That looks like a half a car.
00:46:46
- It makes my car melt, okay.
00:46:47
The engine makes the car go.
00:46:49
- Oh, thank you.
00:46:49
- All the other stuff is just along for the ride.
00:46:51
So like, what do you tell me, the door's gonna fall off now?
00:46:53
- No, but I mean, it car, you know, the electronics system fails and strands you somewhere.
00:46:57
It's like, I mean, that's a realistic concern with the Lotus.
00:46:59
You know what it stands for?
00:47:00
Lots of trouble, usually serious.
00:47:02
- Lots of tremendous usable supercar.
00:47:07
- Yeah, there you go.
00:47:09
- Nice, lots of tremendous usable supercar.
00:47:12
- No, you might be right.
00:47:14
However, they do get miles.
00:47:15
We sell them with miles.
00:47:17
- That is true.
00:47:18
- Sometimes.
00:47:19
- That is sometimes.
00:47:20
- People use them, people drive them.
00:47:21
- Some of them have miles of supercar.
00:47:23
- 14,000.
00:47:24
- Well, that's a three-year-old car.
00:47:26
- Some of them do get miles.
00:47:27
- Oh point.
00:47:28
- 88,000 miles on this one.
00:47:30
- Look at it in yellow.
00:47:30
- I've never heard of anybody.
00:47:31
I've had buddies, Vetti, Voris, and Alisa's never heard of anybody who had electrical issues.
00:47:35
The Alisa has that body problem where the whole car is the body.
00:47:38
And if you like touch it and breathe on it, you got a place.
00:47:40
- You would scratch it and then have to replace the body.
00:47:42
- I did, I ran into a tree branch and they told me I had to replace the entire clamshell, which I did not.
00:47:46
No, and the tree branch was like the size of like your face.
00:47:49
- That's a pretty big tree branch.
00:47:50
- No, dude, your face is little.
00:47:52
- Well, one of our editors, Nick, is heavily considering an award to replace his 996.
00:47:59
And it's an appealing car.
00:48:00
- It's an appealing car.
00:48:01
I think they're really, really cool.
00:48:03
I think they're floored in value.
00:48:04
I think they look really nice.
00:48:06
- This yellow, just that, oh.
00:48:08
- You know what, I like go back.
00:48:09
There's that silver one in the corner down here.
00:48:10
That one looks-- - Yeah, on silver wheels.
00:48:12
Yeah, that looks really great.
00:48:14
- That one looks really nice.
00:48:15
Can I have one of those?
00:48:15
- It's a shame that only 13 years after this came out, or you're like, "You know, the M4 is pretty good."
00:48:20
'Cause when it came out, it was like, "This is expensive and who wants that getting at least."
00:48:23
But it's Lotus's problem.
00:48:25
These are better used cars than they are new cars.
00:48:26
Like, you know, nobody wants to spend 90 plus, Camry Engine, and all the things that were bad about it as a new car kind of starts to become appealing as a used car.
00:48:34
- It's got a Camry Engine, yeah.
00:48:36
- So they're seats, oh, that's okay.
00:48:38
- So maybe Amira one day also get, they'll just like, they all just live at 31 for it.
00:48:42
- No, I think it will become desirable as it ages.
00:48:44
It's just a hard sell at 90 plus for a lot of people.
00:48:46
I actually think it's pretty desirable.
00:48:47
- I think it's a very desirable car, personally.
00:48:49
- I think, and I thought that about a 4.2, honestly.
00:48:51
But it's even more appealing here where it's 30 to 40 grand and probably Florida value.
00:48:55
- If only Filippo would get a car, you'd get one of these.
00:48:57
Like, I've said this before.
00:48:59
- We're not allowed to talk about it.
00:49:00
- And you know what the hard part about it is, is that Filippo's hung up on the purchase price, and I've begged him to understand that it's about total cost of ownership.
00:49:06
He could buy and sell the car, get out of it in a year, spend no money, and he's like, "No, it's too expensive."
00:49:10
And so instead, he's gonna get something dumb that loses value.
00:49:12
- I'm probably not gonna get it.
00:49:13
I like to look at repeat offender's cars, we've had multiple times.
00:49:16
The car's a bit to show him.
00:49:18
It's sold for this, and it's sold for this.
00:49:20
- Well, actually, you know what you can do?
00:49:21
Click on recently and this hit me the yesterdays.
00:49:23
Reason that it came up.
00:49:24
We sold this 32,000 miles to 41 to 36,000, 20,000 miles.
00:49:28
Go to the very bottom.
00:49:29
The very first EVOR as we sold, like this one, 34,000 dollars.
00:49:33
Like, they've lost a little value, but not significant value, and it's clear that they're not gonna really be losing so much more.
00:49:39
Obviously, the ones that sold for 86,000 dollars.
00:49:41
You were cars at the time, but now they're getting cheaper and so you can, or they're getting older.
00:49:46
- Right, it's two years ago, 39, nine.
00:49:48
- Exactly.
00:49:49
- From their devices, these are floored and they're cool.
00:49:50
If you wanna get a Cayman, but you've already had a Cayman, this is the kind of car to get.
00:49:54
What's your marker?
00:49:55
- Can you get a Lucid Air Sapphire, please?
00:49:57
- Yeah, let's talk Sapphire.
00:49:58
- All right.
00:49:59
We sold a Lucid Air Sapphire for 200 grand.
00:50:01
So here's 250.
00:50:02
- Stickers, stickers, stickers.
00:50:03
- We did a bunch of, that there are no public sapphires before this one.
00:50:07
So we did a bunch of research.
00:50:08
And our team came up with a, because we went too deep in it, with a form of how much do other Lucid models appreciate?
00:50:16
Which is a lot.
00:50:17
So that put the value of this after a year and whatever miles it has at like 160.
00:50:22
That's like, it's just exciting to me 'cause it shows that the super high performance ones are still getting enough recognition that they're not following that same depreciation.
00:50:31
- Maybe.
00:50:31
- Tycons are.
00:50:32
- But this is shocked by this.
00:50:33
- This is better.
00:50:34
- I was shocked by this too.
00:50:35
- Also it didn't have a, that's miles, 3000 dollars.
00:50:37
- I will say, 3300.
00:50:40
- I will say, this is a more special car than a Tycon Turbo or Turbo A.
00:50:43
- It really is.
00:50:44
- Those are very available.
00:50:45
I have still not seen a Lucid Air Sapphire on the road.
00:50:47
- Only when you had it here for, - Yeah.
00:50:50
- And I see Lucid Air is pretty common.
00:50:51
- Yeah.
00:50:52
- I see them every day.
00:50:53
- Yeah, truly.
00:50:54
- But Sapphire is really special.
00:50:55
- I legitimately think it's one of the coolest ones.
00:50:57
The model has plaid held value for a little bit.
00:51:00
And then kind of the appreciate.
00:51:03
This has I think more that's special about it than based on this result, it is helping you to.
00:51:08
- This is a true super sports car.
00:51:10
Everybody who is super performance sedan, sport luxury sport.
00:51:13
Everybody who reviewed it was very positive, including me.
00:51:16
I love that.
00:51:17
I thought it was absolutely amazing to drive and use.
00:51:19
I feel that way about all the Lucid Airs, but the Sapphire is really cool.
00:51:21
Production is somewhat limited, so.
00:51:23
- Yeah.
00:51:23
- Now I mean, the person did lose $1600 per mile of the drove.
00:51:25
- But, that's a different issue.
00:51:28
- But that's kind of true of all 250,000 dollars.
00:51:30
I mean, S class is everything in that segment.
00:51:32
The Sapphire definitely did hold value better than a regular Lucid.
00:51:34
Better than any other slide that was real to see it.
00:51:36
- Yeah.
00:51:37
- Okay.
00:51:38
It's time for questions, questions, questions.
00:51:39
Now remember, you two can ask us a question.
00:51:42
You two, if Bono asked a question.
00:51:44
You two can ask any questions that we have.
00:51:47
- If Bono wants a text done directly, we'll put his phone number.
00:51:49
- If Bono had a Quattro Porte like Nick has.
00:51:52
- In period.
00:51:53
- That's so cool.
00:51:54
- I was reading an interview where he talked about it.
00:51:56
And so one of the things he liked about is his four-door car, and they named it the four-door.
00:52:00
So this is only the Italians.
00:52:01
- Well, we should do video talking about like musicians cars, like the famous people on the board.
00:52:07
- Well, I was thinking Rod Stewart and all of his four hours.
00:52:10
- Nick Mason.
00:52:11
- Great.
00:52:12
- Can I make this video?
00:52:12
Thank you.
00:52:13
- Nick's a great person.
00:52:14
- Okay.
00:52:15
So anyway, questions.
00:52:16
You can ask us questions.
00:52:17
You click on carsandbids.com, click on it.
00:52:19
You go to the community tab, and then there'll be a post there saying, hey, ask us questions.
00:52:23
This was the special holiday questions, which we're gonna have next week.
00:52:27
Next week, we're not doing like a news podcast.
00:52:29
We're recording it early and it's just gonna do questions, which we've already taken.
00:52:33
So anyway, we're gonna do this week's questions now.
00:52:36
So let's go.
00:52:37
The first question is from Rodney.
00:52:40
This is a question we get sort of like it with some frequency, but I wanna cover it again.
00:52:44
Of all the auctions on carsandbids over the years that have been completed, what were the craziest buyers and sellers that you've had to deal with, and what ended up happening with those auctions?
00:52:52
There's never anything like too crazy.
00:52:54
One dude sued us in small claims court.
00:52:55
Remember that?
00:52:56
- I do.
00:52:57
- And we defended it.
00:52:58
The judge was like, you're an insane person.
00:53:00
- Yeah.
00:53:00
- The guy wanted the buyer to send him Amazon gift card.
00:53:05
There was something really insane.
00:53:07
I'm like, no, we're not, we're not part of this.
00:53:09
- That was probably one of them, but like nothing's ever been like insane.
00:53:13
- There's been a lot of insane people.
00:53:15
- Yeah.
00:53:16
- 'Cause humans turns out, like Ken and are insane.
00:53:19
- Right.
00:53:20
- But nothing that's like coming immediately to mine.
00:53:23
- The purpose of my land cruiser too.
00:53:24
- But I don't, I can't think of any, I can't think of any really insane situations that have at least come to my attention.
00:53:32
You've probably seen them.
00:53:33
- I have seen a lot, but none that are like story-worthy.
00:53:36
- They're crazy.
00:53:37
- Yeah.
00:53:38
It's usually like, okay, this isn't, I'm crazy.
00:53:40
And here's what I might take.
00:53:41
And I'm, 'cause the seller's crazy and the buyer's crazy, and we got a few.
00:53:43
- I remember early on, some of the buyers, were some of my favorite, were someone would say, oh, I left my laptop open at Starbucks, and somebody entered a bid, it's like, all right, all right.
00:53:51
Your wife found out about the cars.
00:53:53
She's not happy, and you're all walking it back.
00:53:55
- There was a dude that bid on and bought a Focus RS, and then he comes out a couple weeks later.
00:54:00
I have a lot of back issues, and I thought that this car would be perfect for me based on all the forums, and in terms of that, I can't drive it.
00:54:07
Can I have listed back on cars a bit?
00:54:09
- Which isn't that crazy.
00:54:10
- Dude, I don't remember.
00:54:11
This is crazy.
00:54:11
- We do have people turn around cars and quit.
00:54:13
But it's like, my answer would have been, the Focus RS is still for sale.
00:54:16
Go to your Ford dealer before you bid, maybe.
00:54:18
Find out if it's a car for you before you send it to your friend.
00:54:20
- Well, that is something that really annoys us.
00:54:21
We do get people sometimes being like, you know, this car had this or that, or often, sometimes it's stuff that was disclosed.
00:54:27
- I know, I don't think so.
00:54:27
- But they see it the last day of the auction.
00:54:29
Like, oh, I got a bid, then they bid, and then like, it has this scratch.
00:54:32
And it's like, I can see this scratch in all the picture in here.
00:54:35
- Always do, you're do, you're do, you're doing this.
00:54:37
- The reason the auction runs for a week is not because we think bids will be coming in for a week.
00:54:40
The actual auction runs for five minutes.
00:54:43
Okay, let's be clear.
00:54:44
The week is so that you can call the dude, you can send the money in for that to get to go look at the car.
00:54:49
You can have a PPI done.
00:54:51
You can get your financing in order all that stuff.
00:54:54
- Nothing.
00:54:54
- I wish there were something that came to mind as a really great story, but it's just normal people dealing with transactions.
00:55:01
- Yeah, I think that's what it is.
00:55:02
It's a lot of normal people dealing with transactions and the pros and cons that come.
00:55:04
- And as I tell a lot of people, then we can move on from this.
00:55:07
For a lot of folks, most expensive purchases that we're making to your house, probably.
00:55:11
- Second most expensive is probably a car.
00:55:13
Like, second most expensive category is probably a car.
00:55:15
It's scary for people.
00:55:16
And so you don't always get the best of humans, but then we have a team that's there literally to walk you through how to do it, and then it usually works out.
00:55:22
- We have really good support systems.
00:55:24
- There are whole purposes to share all the experience you gained over almost 25,000 options, like with people to maximize their value for cars.
00:55:31
- And they do it very well, too, truly.
00:55:33
- Okay, next question comes from, I am him, Filippo.
00:55:36
Did you get run over by a Michelin Pilot Sport Cup too?
00:55:39
- Oh.
00:55:40
(laughing)
00:55:41
- For those of you who can't see your shirt, he does look like he has a tire track across the sweater.
00:55:44
- I firmly believe that this Christmas is, the sweater is Christmasy.
00:55:56
- Do you think that's Santa's sleigh?
00:55:58
That looks like you got run over by a tire.
00:56:00
- What do I, the question is does the sleigh have to show?
00:56:02
- No, it doesn't have times.
00:56:03
- What do you think it was?
00:56:04
It was pretty wide.
00:56:05
- It's like a Santa, Santa, and emergency.
00:56:07
- It's like a queer GT rear tire.
00:56:09
- It does look like a little-- - We'll compare, not anytime soon, no.
00:56:14
- Okay, next question, actually, from I am him.
00:56:16
Question for Doug.
00:56:17
If you could make Ken and Filippo buy a car, what would you make them buy and why?
00:56:21
- I fully dug that kind of influence right now.
00:56:22
- I would make Filippo just make a decision.
00:56:26
Like step up and do the job.
00:56:28
- Well, what would I buy?
00:56:29
- I'd make Ken and buy an E60 M5, really feel it.
00:56:32
- Really feel it.
00:56:33
- Why do you hate me?
00:56:34
- I would make you get something that I want you to get.
00:56:38
Like I make you spend some money.
00:56:39
Like realize what it's like to write a check.
00:56:41
- Diablo.
00:56:42
- Oh God.
00:56:43
- I've been trying to convince my friends here in San Diego to get a vintage Lambo for like two years every day.
00:56:48
- And no one will.
00:56:50
- I mean, yeah, it's a really expensive unreliable thing.
00:56:54
- Yeah, but Nick's got a mercy.
00:56:55
It's not like I'm asking him to like jump off a bridge.
00:56:58
He's two years away from what I'm trying to get him to do.
00:57:01
- Maybe he likes the mercy, you know?
00:57:02
- I know, but if he had a Diablo, he'd have a Diablo.
00:57:05
- I understand.
00:57:06
You've got a Kuntosh, that's enough for us.
00:57:08
- Ellis, I need someone to share this with me.
00:57:11
I want someone to share this experience with me.
00:57:12
And remember, Joe Sackie, I don't know any other Kuntosh people.
00:57:15
Like I'm set on a Europa.
00:57:17
I don't know anybody else.
00:57:19
- Right, you won up all of us by too much, by having Kuntosh at all.
00:57:22
So you got to instead won up somebody that gets.
00:57:24
- Do you think that?
00:57:25
- But the problem is I don't want to be friends with any of those people.
00:57:27
- I hate all the other people who are rich.
00:57:29
- I was gonna say, do you sure you want to know Kuntosh?
00:57:31
- No, I don't want anything to do with them.
00:57:33
Okay, next question.
00:57:34
Question for Portia 32.
00:57:35
Question for Kenneth.
00:57:37
Matt Ferrer recently mentioned writing a new article for Rodentrac about how the C-T-5V Blackwing has been chasing the ghost of the 395, when B-W at themselves and everyone else is not.
00:57:46
Will you acknowledge the C-T-5V Blackwing is the true God's chariot and the spiritual success of your E-395?
00:57:51
If not, Doug, can you set up with Ken with a demo car for a week to change his mind?
00:57:54
- Well, I have driven the C-T-5V Blackwing.
00:57:57
- Which was a demo car that I had, as I recall.
00:57:59
- Absolutely loved it.
00:58:00
Manual on it was blue, it was phenomenal.
00:58:02
Love the car.
00:58:04
I have never seen a fuel gauge physically move while I'm driving it.
00:58:09
It is unbelievable.
00:58:10
You have real range anxiety driving a gasoline powered car, which is crazy.
00:58:14
Yeah, but like the-- - But so your thoughts on whether it's got here.
00:58:17
- It's not as well rounded of a car as that is because it just doesn't, there are times.
00:58:23
I mean, it gets like legitimately six miles of the alley.
00:58:26
- And it's also brutally fast.
00:58:27
It's way that the M-5 is maybe a little bit more balanced.
00:58:29
- Second and third in that car are really fun to use for acceleration.
00:58:33
That's where it's in the M-5.
00:58:34
- And in the Cadillac there too, the difference is the speed is multiplied tremendously.
00:58:37
And so it is a lot less usable in that regard.
00:58:39
But I have to admit is one of my favorite cars you've ever driven.
00:58:44
I loved it.
00:58:44
I would love to have one in addition to that car, which I know is very redundant.
00:58:48
But I'd have like the best and where it all ended in the end.
00:58:51
And I can't believe the Cadillac of all manufacturers makes that so cool.
00:58:54
- And in the spirit of the question, I think we both agree that yes, it is the car that's very-- - It's an appearance for-- - Yeah, absolutely.
00:58:59
I think it goes like that car you could say, maybe the Audi B7 RS4 is very similar.
00:59:04
Then came the Chevy SS, which a lot of people, you know, loved-- - The Pan G8.
00:59:09
- I mean, there were a lot of-- - Pan G8.
00:59:10
- So while there were a few.
00:59:11
There were a lot of V8, but it's kind of-- - Coming to this.
00:59:15
- Yeah, it's of the fact that that's a car, it's currently on sale is outrageous.
00:59:20
- And that it's actually a great car.
00:59:21
Like the G8, the G8, though it was great, there were concessions made.
00:59:25
It was quite big.
00:59:26
The interior was not great.
00:59:27
Pan and it wasn't our brand, you know.
00:59:29
- Shame thing with the SS.
00:59:30
- Same thing with the SS, the interior, like all the buttons.
00:59:32
- SS was better, the interior was a little better.
00:59:34
- Not good.
00:59:34
- The CZ5 is the kind of car.
00:59:35
- Now what does the CZ5B Blackwing is like the E305, in the sense that it is like the ultimate car that you really want, and it has the manual to rewrite it.
00:59:42
- Actually, are you, and it's even more subtle.
00:59:44
It does blackwing in two places, and there are little tags on the seats.
00:59:47
- Yeah, that's it.
00:59:48
- You have to like, really know.
00:59:50
- Well, of course you also know, 'cause you don't see any actual CZ5 around, so.
00:59:54
- Well, that's true, it's San Diego, they-- - I never see any.
00:59:57
- Like, uh, I feel like I just looked for you.
01:00:00
You were talking about leasing your car, based on what I could see in a 30-second search.
01:00:04
Coastal blue metallic manual, least for only $1,700 a month.
01:00:08
Something to consider.
01:00:09
- I do want to see what they do in terms of that.
01:00:12
I mean, they're holding the value relatively strong.
01:00:14
They really hold, but there's nothing else like it.
01:00:17
- There's none of it, everywhere for sale.
01:00:19
- We've hosted surprisingly few.
01:00:21
- Yeah, right.
01:00:23
- Next question from QSAL.
01:00:24
Hey Doug, hypothetically speaking, if the 4GT-slash-curry-GT value started to drastically plummet, would you sell the car to save yourself from losing money or do you keep it for the pure passion of what it is and what it offers?
01:00:34
It's a good question.
01:00:35
It's hard to imagine a scenario in which they would like drastically start to plummet in value, so it's hard to really put myself in the mindset of that.
01:00:42
But I love the cars, and I only need the cash, so I would probably keep them.
01:00:45
Now, in the scenario you're talking about, maybe the whole world is dropped, maybe it's like, oh, wait again, or 1927.
01:00:50
- Well, what'd you buy?
01:00:51
- 1929.
01:00:52
Well, maybe nothing.
01:00:53
If I'm selling everything, panic selling everything.
01:00:56
But I really love the cars, and they're what I want.
01:00:59
And it's hard to imagine.
01:01:01
- I kind of wish the courage he was cheaper, 'cause it'd make it easier.
01:01:04
- Make it easier.
01:01:05
- I think it was.
01:01:06
- Same.
01:01:07
- But like, you know, even though I bought it, like I don't know.
01:01:11
- You've also bought carefully.
01:01:12
So even in a world where something plummeted, there is some intrinsic value to a car like that, based on how many they built the specialness of it.
01:01:18
- I agree with that.
01:01:19
- The new Kuntosh intrinsic value is low.
01:01:22
A Carrera GT V10 manual, fastest car, and Nurburgring in the whole world, ever.
01:01:27
- Close enough.
01:01:28
- That's a car that's gonna always be desired.
01:01:30
- A couple of seconds from being true.
01:01:31
- And one of the stories I hear, some of the stories I hear from the guys who did make those purchases 20 years ago of the F40s for 200 grand, is that kind of thing.
01:01:39
They bought cars that were special that they loved, that they knew they would love, and it worked out, but also they had something that they loved.
01:01:45
And surely the stock market would have done better, et cetera, but they had this thing that they loved.
01:01:49
And I think that's how you make it.
01:01:51
- Yeah.
01:01:52
- And that's how I've made my decisions.
01:01:53
The three sports cars that I have, I truly love them.
01:01:56
And yeah, it would be sad if they lost value, but not as sad as if I lost them.
01:02:00
- Exactly.
01:02:00
At the end of the day, and that's what upset me for a while in so many investment people are buying cars, and then not using them as commodities.
01:02:08
It's a horrible investment, generally speaking.
01:02:10
You make way more money and other things.
01:02:11
The difference is if you're passionate about these, the goal should be to maybe not lose its own money on it.
01:02:16
- Even if you do.
01:02:17
- Money, it's a great benefit, and some of them do.
01:02:20
I think Charity is not in a position where it's gonna rise and value significantly for a long time.
01:02:25
I had a big jump.
01:02:26
I do not think those cars are going anywhere for a while.
01:02:28
- And a lot of them.
01:02:29
- Well, they made, well, 1270s.
01:02:32
- That's a lot.
01:02:33
- There's more than 40s.
01:02:34
- Yeah, only by 100, but yeah.
01:02:36
- There's more coontages.
01:02:37
I don't think the production number is the problem.
01:02:39
It's pretty rare, especially compared to more modern supercars where production runs have now gotten considered more.
01:02:45
- Well, they're out of control now.
01:02:46
- But I think the problem is that it had a big run up and the people have them have them.
01:02:50
- You've already made the appreciate.
01:02:51
- The appreciate I have.
01:02:52
- Okay, next question, final question.
01:02:54
- Ooh.
01:02:55
- Final question.
01:02:56
This is another question for Ken and Luke 26.
01:02:59
- Question for Ken and it.
01:03:00
They're all for Ken and even the one that we're not getting to.
01:03:03
Castle for Ken and it's great for Filippo.
01:03:05
There's not any questions for Filippo.
01:03:06
- That's really sad.
01:03:07
- Because you guys were not.
01:03:09
- Folks, if you've got questions about electric vehicles or the car market, compact cars.
01:03:14
- I actually thought about coming to you.
01:03:15
That's why I wanted to ask today about the least thing.
01:03:17
- I will look for you, don't worry.
01:03:18
- Question for Ken and as a fellow Northeast Ohioan, are there any spots that you know of to spot cool cars?
01:03:24
- dealership shows it.
01:03:25
- Such a good, so I actually, I've been kind of putting the scale because I'm going to post it on Instagram soon, but I was going back through, I'm from Hudson, Ohio, which is a small town between Cleveland and Akron.
01:03:34
And in period, when I was growing up there, we had the craziest cars.
01:03:39
I mean, nuts, we had, there's a Courage GT who's bought new in my hometown.
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I have pictures of it at the gas station.
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I'd see Spike or C8, Lamborghini car, it was Superligeria, 997.1 GT3 RS in green.
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And this was a regular thing.
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You'd bike to downtown Hudson.
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There would be just crazy cars.
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All the time, every single Friday on some, in the summer, you knew.
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- Was this, was this over at Aladdin's?
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- There is, there, there is an Aladdin's.
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And I did, I have pictures of Hudson.
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- Like, where would you see the car?
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Like at flip side?
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- The guy at the Courage GT always filled up at BP and it's 'cause he went into my cigarettes there and he would leave and like that.
01:04:14
- Oh, that Courage GT.
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- I don't think he smoked in it.
01:04:16
- I hope not.
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- I think he still has the car, also.
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- You're talking about the BP at Main Street there at Ravenna?
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- That's correct.
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- That's right.
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Right off of, yep, right off of-- - By the road of Superl.
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- That by yours truly.
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- Yes, by yours truly, recently revamped, nice roof top.
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(laughing)
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- I go back to Hudson with some regularity.
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- But no, my answer for him, not anymore.
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It's changed like, now they're just like, Audi S cars, the places I would go, Chagrin Falls is really, really.
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It's a very wealthier and every time I go there, I see nice cars, even now that has not changed.
01:04:50
- Nice cars like what?
01:04:51
People in Chagrin Falls.
01:04:51
- BMW Z8, I've seen SLS black series.
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I've seen a lot of race cars, but the thing you should do, in all honesty, I'll send them, they just like, go to Marshall Goldman.
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Marshall Goldman has just an incredible inventory, but it's like going to a car for like truly.
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Just be very polite, don't touch anything.
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Obviously, it'd be very nice, but that's the place to go.
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But if you want to see them in the wild, I would say Chagrin Falls to your best bet.
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- Where's the triple F collection?
01:05:18
- They're in Columbus.
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- That's a different thing.
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- Did they, is there like a car in the coffee?
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Like, do we know them?
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Is there a car in the coffee that they go to?
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- I met them, they hold a big event every year, I think in June usually, and they have some, they've had some parts, they had some stuff from mouse motors collection in Chicago.
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They've several McLaren F1s, they sent their stuff there.
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It was, and that is a wild show to go to, I have to say.
01:05:38
- For being as into cars as I am.
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- Not my world.
01:05:41
- Yeah, I understand.
01:05:42
- We know.
01:05:43
- For you, Flippa, the local Toyota dealership, the dealership would be enough, I think.
01:05:46
- But it is, by the way, did you sell the comments when your name in Toyota SUVs, you forgot the lowercase B, uppercase Z4, uppercase Z.
01:05:52
- I don't consider that an SUV.
01:05:53
- They do.
01:05:54
- Well, Flippa doesn't consider it, but that's my answer.
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- There was a Ken's top tips on car spotting in Northeast Ohio, in the Greater Kayahoga County area.
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- I don't actually-- - It's a summit technique to be able to say it, you know.
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