In this episode of the SAAS Operators Podcast, we talk about the different games founders decide to play, and different definitions of success. Why the pursuit of money is the most noble thing you can do, and what happens when the next million doesn't meaningfully improve your life. The boys talk about different incentives, like status and legacy and how art and fashion can be tools for leverage and access outside of politics.

They talk about what it means to play the long game, how sacrifice, consistency, and clarity on priorities influence decision making. But it's not without tradeoffs, founders trade friendships, fitness, presence with their family, and sometimes their own wellbeing. Ultimately, time in exchange for an outcome. The idea that everyone has to decide when the next incremental dollar, or representation of value, stops being worth the next incremental hour.

The episode closes on conviction, choosing your game, accepting its sacrifices, and playing it hard enough to see compounding rewards over time.