In this episode of WuBlockchain Podcast, Sam MacPherson, co-founder of Phoenix Labs, shares how Spark has evolved from a DeFi lending protocol into a capital allocator managing nearly $4B across DeFi, CeFi, and RWA. He explains the Spark Liquidity Layer's role in optimizing yield--especially through tokenized U.S. Treasuries--while maintaining a 25% cash reserve to ensure stability. Sam discusses the platform's modular governance via the Sky-Star system, its push into the APAC market, and the upcoming SPK token launch for staking and governance. Transparency and on-chain auditability remain Spark's core strengths over traditional finance. Text summary

Timeline:

00:00 Opening & Brief Intro

01:40 Transition from Lending Protocol to Diversified Capital Allocator

03:26 Strategic Logic Behind the $1 Billion Tokenized Treasury Deployment

04:36 Market Conditions That Informed Timing of RWA Investment

06:06 Reconciling DeFi Decentralization with Centralized Custodians

07:48 Target Return Profile and Outperforming Treasury Yields

08:55 Reinvesting in Existing Treasury Partners and Negotiated Fees

09:30 Partner Selection Via Tokenization Grant Competition

10:28 Role of Tokenized Treasuries in Yield Stabilization

11:11 Competitive Advantage: Trust, Scale, and On-Chain Transparency

12:47 Liquidity Layer's Operation and Ecosystem Integrations

14:58 Managing Risk and Maintaining Yield Stability with High Cash Reserves

16:39 Protocol Resilience During Historical Market Crashes

17:38 Regulatory Compliance in RWA Interface and Protocol Design

18:51 Next RWA Target: Investment-Grade Corporate Debt

20:03 Community Outreach and Expansion Strategy in APAC

20:55 Modular Star System for Fast Governance and Scaling

22:23 Adapting to Macro Trends Like U.S. Interest Rate Shifts

23:47 Upcoming SPK Token Launch and Governance Utility