These are challenging times. In the wake of the Nov. 5, 2024 US election results, Rowan and Devin talk about responding to something that unexpectedly slams us to the mat. What do we do now? They say "we are strong, resilient and we know how to love." Devin shares about the amount of determination it takes to live as a trans person. And Rowan discusses, from a black belt perspective, finding our strength and responding strategically from there.

Hear what Rowan means when she says "It's a decision. I said ENOUGH." 

And what Devin means by "I'm not marginalized, actually I'm maximized."

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