The day after recording the podcast with Haslam, Kearns woke up and slipped into the old pattern of believing what he had just done wasn't good enough. So he decided what was needed was strapping a canoe to the roof of this boat and taking Haslam and his dog out to a small island to record a podcast under a tarp in the rain. Even though he realizes this wasn't necessary he ended up having another great conversation with Haslam and learning a lesson that we can all relate to. 

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