Daniel and Jenna talk about experiencing major life events as people in recovery and how different they handle such events without alcohol. They discuss "emotional sobriety" and how intensely they can sometimes feel certain life shifts without using alcohol to cope, escape, or celebrate. Jenna talks about feeling irritable or antsy and sometimes forgetting about the added mental toll of staying sober while going through major life changes. Daniel talks about "opposite action" and challenging himself to stay on task and engaged when he's feeling unmotivated or uninspired.

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