This quarter, we’re both experiencing what it’s like to grow passively - to learn about what springs up when we leave empty space. As we explore the feeling of liminal spaces, we talk about being (recovering) people-pleasers, how we’re learning to be curious about ourselves, some tools we’re using to keep those spaces of possibility open, and the growth that happens accidentally along the way. We also talk a bit about how we met, and some ways that we’ve changed over the years. And of course, it wouldn’t be Hearth & Heather if we didn’t talk about our favorite mysteries.

Mentioned in episode:

• Real Self Care: A Transformative Program for Redefining Wellness by Pooja Lakshmin
• Saving Time: Discovering a Life Beyond the Clock by Jenny Odell
• Radical Remedies: An Herbalist’s Guide to Empowered Self-Care by Brittany Ducham
• “I said yes” and “I said no” punchcards from Shanalee Hampton 
• Manoj Dias on  InsightTimer and Instagram
• Comfort TV: Midnight Diner (Netflix), Columbo (Peacock TV), and Poker Face (Peacock TV)
• Annika Hansteen-Izora
• Cook as You Are: Recipes for Real Life, Hungry Cooks, and Messy Kitchens by Ruby Tandoh