Today we are talking with Dr. Gail Brenner, a clinical psychologist whose practice and teachings are unique because of her non-dual perspective grounded in deep and practical truths about peace and happiness. She is the author of two books, The End of Self-Help, and Suffering is Optional. We are primarily discussing her most recent book, Suffering is Optional. You can find more on Gail’s work at www.gailbrenner.com.

In this episode we talk about: 

• What Gail means by “optional suffering” since we know we experience suffering in our lives. 
• What conditioning is and how it affects our lives. 
• What thoughts have to do with suffering. 
• The limiting identity of unworthiness and how it plays out in life. 
• How life without thinking is not, "lying on a couch like a blob". 
• The value and power of curiosity. 

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