In this first special episode of "So I Married a Relationship Expert", Zach and Laura sit down with Dr. Ellyn Bader and Dr. Peter Pearson, co-founders of The Couples Institute. This conversation dives deep into the dynamics of relationships, focusing on the developmental stages of couples therapy, the power of differentiation, and essential skills to strengthen partnerships. Known for pioneering the Developmental Model of Couples Therapy, Ellyn and Peter share invaluable insights into managing differences, fostering curiosity, and cultivating long-term relationship growth.

Topics discussed include:

• The unique journey of Ellyn and Peter, from their chance meeting to building a thriving partnership and business.


• Key relationship stages, including the often-overlooked "differentiation stage."


• How curiosity and resilience are fundamental to a healthy, growing relationship.


• The transformative power of mini-intensives and two-day intensives for couples, especially for entrepreneur couples.


• Practical exercises for couples to manage conflict, deepen understanding, and support each other's dreams.

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