Zach connects with listeners Paul and Symone during a road trip break near Austin. Speaking candidly from the front seat of their car, they reflect on their blended family, the nuances of a 20-year age gap, and the emotional work of learning to love each other's children.

As Paul and Symone navigate the complexities of second marriages, they share how gardening becomes their safe zone, how compassion becomes their compass, and how front porch conversations turn into moments of healing. With honesty and warmth, they unpack what it means to stay connected—even when it’s hard—and how legacy, curiosity, and forgiveness shape their evolving partnership.

Key Takeaways

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  Gardening is their neutral ground
  Paul and Symone use time in the yard to reconnect, calm conflict, and remind each other they’re on the same team.


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  Blended families are complex and require grace
  Symone opens up about the challenges of bonding with a stepchild, while Paul reflects on the tension of balancing empathy between partners and exes.


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  Compassion builds connection
  They describe compassion as an effort to understand without assigning blame—a shared value that anchors their relationship.


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  The front porch is for growth
  One-on-one talks with Jacob, Paul’s son, often happen on the porch, where Symone finds space to show up as a gentle counselor.


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  Curiosity over certainty
  They agree that leading with curiosity—about each other, their triggers, and their kids—invites growth more than judgment ever could.

Guest Info

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  Paul
  A behavior specialist and elementary school teacher, Paul brings his social-emotional learning work into his family life.


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  Symone
  Symone is a school administrator, teacher, and mom navigating the second chapter of marriage with curiosity and intensity.

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