Welcome back to a brand new series of There She Is: The Podcast! In this series titled, What It Takes, I'll be having conversations with guests regarding just that: what it takes to be an effective titleholder. In this first episode, I had the privilege of talking with Karen Shields, pageant mom extraordinaire and "Mom America" to her daughter, Savvy Shields who won the MAO national crown in 2017. We talk about authenticity and how staying true to yourself on both the stage and in your life contributes to success.