Michael Gira from Swans is here to discuss their exhilarating new album Birthing, an erotic dream he had about Roy Cohn, Richard Nixon, and the current president of the United States, which inspired a new song, dishonesty and the relative truth, what he reveals about himself in his music and how his aesthetic might relate to those of Bob Dylan and Jim Morrison, including contributions by his wife and children on his records, why Swans might take on a new form, debuting new songs on the road, other future plans, and much more.

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