In this episode we begin with a discussion of Zen and the practice of the koan, which serves as a starting point for our more prolonged back-and-forth on the nature/value of egolessness in the Buddhist tradition. Aaron is insistent in his disavowal of egolessness and its implications, and although Bethany wishes to be more persuaded by the notion, she falls within Aaron's camp, for the most part. Jp spends the majority of the episode fielding questions on this topic and does his best to persuade Bethany and Aaron; or, at the very least, assuage the weight of their poignant criticisms. The extent to which he is successful in this endeavor, we hope you will listen and determine for yourself. 

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