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Ep. 4: Limits of citizenship at the edge of law: Al-Awlaki, Eric Snowden, Mos Def - 10 Billion People Podcast

Ep. 4: Limits of citizenship at the edge of law: Al-Awlaki, Eric Snowden, Mos Def - 10 Billion People Podcast

Update: 2023-01-06
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The drone killing of Al-Awlaki marked in the most violent way possible the limits of US Citizenship. It ignited a debate about what citizenship is, and whether the killing of Al-Awlaki had somehow lessened the rights of Americans to not be killed by their own government. Eric Snowden recently announced he was becoming a U.S. Citizen. Yasiin Bey, formerly known as Mos Def, tried to delay his deportation from South Africa by using a “World Passport”. These cases beg the question of where the limits of citizenship, which are in essence the rights that attach to a person because they are a part of a certain recognized country, begin and end. They often end, we discuss, where they meet the outer limits of the law, I.e. where questions that law has not yet considered start and only raw power rules.


We also cover: nigerian migrants riding on the propeller of a ship all the way to Europe; a large ICE data leak; Qatari migrants in the world cup audience; the World Passport and the World Citizen Government; the idiocy of the position that all borders should be open/borders shouldn't exist




Timestamps:


00:00:00 Intro clip - qatari immigrant play actors


00:03:00 Show start


00:03:29 Nigerian migrants survive on tanker ship


00:08:12 "Borders don't exist" is not a serious argument


00:11:08 ICE Data leak - what does it mean?


00:33:04 Edward Snowden: Citizenship limits Pt 1


00:37:22 Snowden's presser: legal significance of words


00:40:44 Eric Snowden could declare his way out of US citizenship


00:44:20 Al-Awlaki: US finds a limit to citizenship


00:47:25 Jerry Falwell is a lot like Al-Awlaki


00:55:23 Al-Awlaki was a very typical spoiled American bad boy


00:55:50 Al-Awlaki's mountain of prostitutes


00:58:20 Al-Awlaki was one of the original social media trolls


01:00:30 Andrew Tate is what Al-Awlaki could have been


01:03:15 Al-Awlaki turns the corner into terrorism


01:04:10 A crotch lights on fire


01:05:07 Obama administration finds justification for killing Al-Awlaki


01:07:38 Where does the power to kill a citizen come from? if it exists...


01:10:32 Using extraconstitutional power to kill citizens


01:15:37 Limits on power, i.e. laws, often must be developed in response to power's use


01:17:04 Citizenship ends where the the limits of law begin


01:17:43 Where Eric Snowden's rights to citizenship would end


01:19:30 Yasiim Bey formerly known as Mos Def


01:22:20 The World Passport (that's not a real passport)


01:25:01 Sovereign citizens and the world passport


01:26:30 Open borders is as realistic as a world passport (i.e. uttern nonsense)


01:28:10 Not believing in borders is the irony of the World Passport crowd

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Ep. 4: Limits of citizenship at the edge of law: Al-Awlaki, Eric Snowden, Mos Def - 10 Billion People Podcast

Ep. 4: Limits of citizenship at the edge of law: Al-Awlaki, Eric Snowden, Mos Def - 10 Billion People Podcast

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