The MIAR podcast kicks off its first episode with the producer behind much of Eminem's early work. Jeff and his brother Mark discovered and produced most of the music on Eminem's first albums, but as the years went by they found themselves increasingly at odds with his label, Interscope/Universal, and were gradually written out of the story. Other than being mentioned on Wikipedia, the current Eminem narrative barely mentions them at all.

Jeff and I spoke about his early days in the music industry, how he came to work with Eminem, and how the relationship developed over the years.