In this episode, Asao and Shane talk with Dr. Jennifer Randall, Dunn Family Endowed Professor of Psychometrics and Test Development at the University of Michigan, about her article, ""Color-Neutral" is Not a Thing: Redefining Construct Definition and Representation Through a Justice-Oriented Critical Antiracist Lens." Their conversation focuses on culturally and socially situated assessment practices, antiracist frameworks for assessment design, decentering whiteness, rubrics, and myths about language and writing.