Harry and Shane are joined by Designer/Maker Peter Spaulding (@Iwao_wood.and.art) who takes over pitching duty. The three discuss their complex feelings about river tables and snobbery in the field. Peter proposes a virtue of newness and discusses how his experience writing poetry has informed his approach to design. Shane is concerned when newness is over-valued. Harry finds it important to have reasons and purpose behind your work.

Peter has been steaming objects and experimenting with copper dye. Shane has been struggling with colour and nitric acid. Harry is still moving into the new workshop and will be for some time.