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Episode 154 - Assertive, Not Abrasive: Lessons in Leadership with Dr. Julie Gurner

Episode 154 - Assertive, Not Abrasive: Lessons in Leadership with Dr. Julie Gurner

Update: 2025-11-08
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On this episode, Dr. Julie Gurner, executive performance coach and author of the Ultra Successful Substack newsletter, to unpack one of the most misunderstood traits in leadership: assertiveness.

Most people equate assertiveness with rudeness — especially when it comes from women. But as Dr. Gurner explains, assertiveness is simply clarity — the opposite of expecting people to read your mind. The two discuss how emotional intelligence, self-awareness, and ownership separate high performers from those who stay stuck in their comfort zones.


  • Why being assertive isn’t the same as being abrasive
  • How fear of judgment keeps professionals from being direct
  • The myth of “micromanagement” and what clarity actually looks like
  • How emotional intelligence shapes perception of leadership styles
  • Why clarity builds trust faster than politeness ever will
  • The danger of surrounding yourself with excuse-makers
  • Why growth plateaus are rarely caused by markets — and usually by mindsets


Dr. Gurner also dives into limiting beliefs and the power of an internal locus of control, showing how elite performers take total ownership of outcomes — good or bad. Monique adds her own experiences leading teams across industries, from engineering to beauty and wellness, highlighting the real-world tension between intention, perception, and leadership maturity.


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Website: https://ultrasuccessful.com/


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Bio Website: https://moniquemills.biz/

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Episode 154 - Assertive, Not Abrasive: Lessons in Leadership with Dr. Julie Gurner

Episode 154 - Assertive, Not Abrasive: Lessons in Leadership with Dr. Julie Gurner