In this episode, we bring together two guests from strikingly different worlds to dive deep into the uncomfortable questions around morality in war gaming.Dr. Waitman Wade Beorn – academic, U.S. Army veteran, Holocaust scholar, author of Marching into Darkness and The Holocaust in Eastern Europe (coming soon from Cambridge University Press), and host of the podcast The Holocaust History Podcast – joins us to examine how history and ethics intersect in interactive media.Alongside him is Kaluven – gamer, YouTuber, and passionate RTS player known for his video tackling the messy reality of playing the “baddies” in historical strategy games. His recent video sparked our entire debate: what does it mean to choose the side of the aggressor, and do games sanitize moral choices?This is one of our most challenging and thoughtful conversations yet – and one that will resonate with historians, gamers, and anyone grappling with how we remember (and play with) the past.

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The Holocaust in Eastern Europe: https://a.co/d/fTHhzS3 

The Holocaust History Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/32b7u94Wj36ucQHmzhm40K?si=e3QDoHuwQzCMMq36P2e19g 

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