Tuck and Ozzy chat with writer Zefyr Lisowski (she/her). Topics include:

• How horror helps us explore what we owe others in the wake of pain
• Zefyr's delicate decision to do a ~gender reveal~ in Uncanny Valley Girls 
• Managing harm in t4t and crazy4crazy relationships
• How the Great Dismal Swamp informs Zefyr's thoughts about race and class 
• Plus: Grave robbers, werewolves, Pisces poetics, and a musical based on The Ring. 

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Find Zefyr at zefyrlisowski.com and @zefrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Uncanny Valley Girls is on sale tomorrow, Oct. 7!

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